Originally posted by Jay Joosat least answer the first question.
Questions always questions....if you read your bible your answers lie within...im not going to start quoting this and that and get all heavy...who are we to question God.
I have a feeling you know the answers to your questions...
so many people harp on "free-will" all time, and i'm just curious where you guys come up with this notion.
Originally posted by Jay Joosbut i have.
You really need to read a bible....
It all began in the Garden of Eden...
i just don't see it.
it's neither explicitly mentioned nor, to my satisfaction, implicitly mentioned.
i do, however, read much in the book about the sovereinty of god over the decisions of men.
i'm curious how you, unless you'd like to speak on behalf of all "free-willers," reconcile these seemingly conflicting ideas.
and as far as the garden goes, i guess i'm missing the part of god creating male and female with free will. are you assuming that's what the "image of god" is?
Originally posted by Big MacGod did not intend us to have free will....thats how i interpret it... when Adam bit into the apple thats when we became free willers...Typical of Satan always trying to ruin the big mans plan... i dont speak on behalf of anyone...i merely go where my heart tells me...(that is God..who i try to speak for but always seem to be misunderstood!!!)
but i have.
i just don't see it.
it's neither explicitly mentioned nor, to my satisfaction, implicitly mentioned.
i do, however, read much in the book about the sovereinty of god over the decisions of men.
i'm curious how you, unless you'd like to speak on behalf of all "free-willers," reconcile these seemingly conflicting ideas.
and as far as the gar ...[text shortened]... ng male and female with free will. are you assuming that's what the "image of god" is?
Originally posted by Jay Joosi don't wish to simply argue with you here, but...
God did not intend us to have free will....thats how i interpret it... when Adam bit into the apple thats when we became free willers...Typical of Satan always trying to ruin the big mans plan... i dont speak on behalf of anyone...i merely go where my heart tells me...(that is God..who i try to speak for but always seem to be misunderstood!!!)
how can something that an "omni-everything" god (as scotty calls him) intend not come to fruition?
did god know it was going to happen? if so, why would he deliberately set into motion things he did not intend?
Originally posted by Big MacI dont want to argue with you also.... once again i say....who are we to question God? maybe he tested us and we failed...who knows !!!
i don't wish to simply argue with you here, but...
how can something that an "omni-everything" god (as scotty calls him) intend not come to fruition?
did god know it was going to happen? if so, why would he deliberately set into motion things he did not intend?
Originally posted by Jay Joosi'm not encouraging you to question god.
I dont want to argue with you also.... once again i say....who are we to question God? maybe he tested us and we failed...who knows !!!
i am encouraging you to question some of your premises; in particular those that are not derived from the bible, but simply from your feelings about the world and ascribing those to god.
Originally posted by Big MacMy feelings are about HIS world... i believe the Bible and i believe my feelings...
i'm not encouraging you to question god.
i am encouraging you to question some of your premises; in particular those that are not derived from the bible, but simply from your feelings about the world and ascribing those to god.