"Better yet, while your in the shower..."

Originally posted by googlefudge
See I have absolutely no belief whatsoever that you do understand my position at all.

And I'm confident you will soon prove me right by making another post in which you
superimpose your strawman view of how I think onto me.

Perhaps if you spent less time trying to convert us and more time trying to understand
us you would have better luck commu ...[text shortened]... e I last made a chess move have on
whether or not I spend time posting on a forum of any kind?

No need to become defensive. The question's purely one of curiosity: Why would an RHP Member who is an affirmed atheist become a member of an online correspondence chess site for the sole purpose of posting on an online spirituality forum?

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
No need to become defensive. The question's purely one of curiosity: Why would an RHP Member who is an affirmed atheist become a member of an online correspondence chess site for the sole purpose of posting on an online spirituality forum?

I didn't.

I joined years ago to play chess.

I would like to continue to play chess if I can ever get the time reliably
together for my very slow style of play.

I also happen to enjoy talking on these forums.

Response to all the atheists on this forum.

God is neither unhappy or disturbed at your decisions. Whether you realize it or not you have been graced out by receiving this many opportunities to hear the truth about the gospel of Jesus Christ and the possibility of your salvation. In one moment of time you can change your eternal future. Consider the options. Heaven or hell it's your choice. John 3: 16

Heaven or hell it's your choice.

No, it isn't.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Originally posted by Great King Rat
[b]"Hi GB, I have two questions (and I've had them for many years) which you may be able to shed some light on:

1) what is a soul?

2) what does "opening your mind" mean? Especially with regard to believing in god and such.

Hope you can answer. I may have some follow up questions."
___________________ ...[text shortened]... u the visible body* to reside at one of two addresses for eternity. 2) Reply later this evening.

What's the current role of my soul, GB? What does it do?

Originally posted by googlefudge
I didn't.

I joined years ago to play chess.

I would like to continue to play chess if I can ever get the time reliably
together for my very slow style of play.

I also happen to enjoy talking on these forums.

Originally posted by googlefudge
I didn't.

I joined years ago to play chess.

I would like to continue to play chess if I can ever get the time reliably
together for my very slow style of play.

I also happen to enjoy talking on these forums.


Thank you, googlefudge, for our sustained conversation. I realize the opportunity to provide information is now past.
How about an unrated relaxed small talk conversational chess game with a 21 Day Timeout and a 28 Day Time Bank?

Originally posted by Great King Rat
What's the current role of my soul, GB? What does it do?

Originally posted by Great King Rat
Actually, I hadn't responded to your action of copying a dictionary entry yet, so I'll do that before question 2.

Meanwhile, if you'd like to see what question 2 was, you can find it on the previous page. If you respond to that, please include the question in the reply. You can do that by copying my question and put it between [quote] and [/quote*] (minus the *).

Good luck!

Originally posted by Great King Rat
What's the current role of my soul, GB? What does it do?

Which first?

Oh, I'm still not even close to understanding what is meant by "the soul", so let's stick to that one.

"Open mind" will come later.

Originally posted by Great King Rat
Oh, I'm still not even close to understanding what is meant by "the soul", so let's stick to that one.

"Open mind" will come later.

Originally posted by Great King Rat
"Hi GB, I have two questions (and I've had them for many years) which you may be able to shed some light on:

1) what is a soul?

2) what does "opening your mind" mean? Especially with regard to believing in god and such.

Hope you can answer. I may have some follow up questions."
_______________________________

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby

"Soul: [sohl] noun

1. the principle of life, feeling, thought, and action in humans, regarded as a distinct entity separate from the body, and commonly held to be separable in existence from the body; the spiritual part of humans as distinct from the physical part.

2. the spiritual part of humans regarded in its moral aspect, or as believed to survive death and be subject to happiness or misery in a life to come: arguing the immortality of the soul.

3. the disembodied spirit of a deceased person: He feared the soul of the deceased would haunt him.


4. the emotional part of human nature; the seat of the feelings or sentiments.

5. a human being; person.

Origin: before 900; Middle English; Old English; cognate with Dutch ziel, German Seele, Old Norse; Gothic saiwala

Synonyms: spirit. heart. essence, core, heart."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/soul

Note: Strip away the Red Hot Pawn Nickname "Great King Rat"; the clothing and footwear on your body: what remains is the immaterial soul of a unique human being: YOU. The moment of cessation of brain function (not heart) occurs, *you the invisible soul* will depart *you the visible body* to reside at one of two addresses for eternity. 2) Reply later this evening.
______________________________

Originally posted by Great King Rat
Oh, I'm still not even close to understanding what is meant by "the soul", so let's stick to that one.

"Open mind" will come later.
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Ok.

Originally posted by Great King Rat
Oh, I'm still not even close to understanding what is meant by "the soul", so let's stick to that one.

"Open mind" will come later.

Note: 1) "Strip away the Red Hot Pawn Nickname "Great King Rat"; the clothing and footwear on your body: what remains is the immaterial soul of a unique human being: YOU. The moment of cessation of brain function (not heart) occurs, *you the invisible soul* will depart *you the visible body* to reside at one of two addresses for eternity." (Page 2)

God imputes an immaterial soul to each viable fetus at the moment of birth; that soul is you. 2) An open mind refers to objectivity and intellectual honesty. The assumption that God exists is the foundation of this conversation. Whether or not you think God exists matters less at the moment than maintaining logical and clear thought. If you say, "There is no God," you're being arbitrary and foolish. Psalm 53:1-2 "The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God,” They are corrupt, and have committed abominable injustice; There is no one who does good. 2 God has looked down from heaven upon the sons of men To see if there is anyone who understands, Who seeks after God." A logical statement might be, "On the basis of empiricism or rationalism, God does not exist in my view". Learning in any realm involves unlearning which is painful.

Originally posted by Penguin
When some of the following have been demonstrated to actually exist:

'Grace' (whatever that is)
... --- Penguin

You don't know what Grace is?

An example - remember Pope John Paul II.?
1981, he was shot, at a public appearance in Rome.
But he visited his assassin Agca in prison, and he forgave him. Also, Agca was pardoned, on request of Pope John Paul II.


Agca was forgiven and pardoned by Grace. He didn't deserve it.


Could YOU? Forgive your assassin?

Originally posted by Flower04
You don't know what Grace is?

An example - remember Pope John Paul II.?
1981, he was shot, at a public appearance in Rome.
But he visited his assassin Agca in prison, and he forgave him. Also, Agca was pardoned, on request of Pope John Paul II.


Agca was forgiven and pardoned by Grace. He didn't deserve it.


Could YOU? Forgive your assassin?

No, and why the hell would I want to?

Originally posted by Flower04
You don't know what Grace is?

An example - remember Pope John Paul II.?
1981, he was shot, at a public appearance in Rome.
But he visited his assassin Agca in prison, and he forgave him. Also, Agca was pardoned, on request of Pope John Paul II.


Agca was forgiven and pardoned by Grace. He didn't deserve it.


Could YOU? Forgive your assassin?

Well that doesn't really match with your own definition:

late 12c., "God's favor or help," from Old French grace "pardon, divine grace, mercy; favor, thanks; elegance, virtue" (12c.), from Latin gratia "favor, esteem, regard; pleasing quality, good will, gratitude" (source of Italian grazia, Spanish gracia), from gratus "pleasing, agreeable," from PIE root *gwere- "to favor" (cf. Sanskrit grnati "sings, praises, announces," Lithuanian giriu "to praise, celebrate," Avestan gar- "to praise" ).

God's favour? Not really, the Pope forgave him, not God. Admirable but he is not the only person do ever do this, an not all of those who do are Catholic, or even Christian.
God's help? Nope. The Pope requested he get a pardon. Again, no sign of a deity here.
God's pardon? Not really, again it was the Pope.
etc.

Forgiving your attacker is difficult to do, but on the other hand, it was far better for the Pope's image to forgive than to let him languish.

An admirable act of forgiveness on the part of the Pope, but by no means unique and not evidence of anything at all supernatural.

And not really that consistent with your definition of 'Grace' above. I think maybe you don't know yourself what you mean by it.

Penguin

Originally posted by Flower04
... remember Pope John Paul II.?
... he visited his assassin Agca in prison, and he forgave him.
Agca was pardoned, on request of Pope John Paul II.
Agca was forgiven and pardoned by Grace.

Pope John Paul II was Grace?

Was that a stage name?

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Pope John Paul II was Grace?

Was that a stage name?

https://twitter.com/Gracepope16