Originally posted by Rajk999
First, those things you call terribly questionable, were said by Jesus himself. But you are no stranger to questioning the teachings of Jesus,
I don't know why I spend time and effort on you.
You've hurled some false accusations and real insults my way for months.
I am willing to forgive you.
But its of not much profit to talk to you.
My post was in response to yours.
It was not done with a thought we can peacefully converse.
denying that they are essential for eternal life, and you are even brassfaced enough to claim that Jesus's teachings are not in this Dispensation and therefore void.
I never wrote Jesus words were in ANY conceivable way "void".
For lack of a more polite expression, this is simply a lying accusation from you.
Next, Jesus did not live a quiet life for 30 years. That is simply a refusal to see what the Bible says.
This I would disagree with in this way - It is considered a great miracle that someone as powerful as the Son of God lived in a town of Nazareth making no particular stir for 30 years.
Says me only? No, says the Gospel of Luke
The people recognized Him as the neighberhood carpenter's son.
All those years He moved in and out among them and apparently made no particular stir.
He did, at 12 years old, amaze the priests in the temple. But aside from this incident He made no particlar commotion.
"And all bore witness to Him and marveled at the words of grace proceeding our of His mouth, and they said, Is not this Joseph's son? ' (Luke 4:22)
This seems to be the first public speaking of Jesus in the synogogue apart from just reading the Scriptures. They were enraged and sought to cast Him over a cliff (v.29) [/b]
But this appears the FIRST time they had so strong a reaction to the neighborhood carpenter. Isaiah 53
also seems that He just blended into the surrounding environment with no particular striking feature which drew attention to Himself.
The Bible says:
- Jesus at age 12, that he must be about his Fathers business .. ie Gods business which is preaching and teaching.
I mentioned that sole instance. Other than this, His first public speaking shocked them. And their reaction was so strong as to want to execute Him right there at the beginning of His ministry.
"And all the synagogue were filled with anger when they heard these things. and they rose up and cast Him out of the city and led Him to the brow of the hill on which thir ity was built so that they might throw Him down the clift.
But He, passing through their midst, went away." (Luke 4:28-30)
This appears to be the FIRST time Jesus caused such a stir. And He is 30 years old. So I say in comparison, He lived a strikingly calm life. After His becoming of age of a typical priest (30 years old) and after His baptism and the Holy Spirit came upon Him, did He begin to have cataclysmic impact with His words and miracles.
- Jesus at age 12 was preaching to the elders of the synagogue and impressing them with his knowledge and wisdom.
- If all the things that Jesus did in his lifetime were written down, then the world would not have enough space to contain all those books.
Possibly John meant things during the whole life of Jesus.
Possibly John speaks of His MINISTRY could fill up many books.
Either way, incredible things which could have been written about His childhood were not widespread. He made no stir.
now Mary and Joseph and His brothers and sisters may have had many many stories they could have told and probably did.
When the Gospel writer says that Mary kept all these things in her heart, I take that to mean she had many many rememberances of what it was like to raise this God-man little child.
Still Rajk999, I believe Jesus pretty quietly just blended in with society for many years before His commencing His public ministry.
And now that I have written all this Divegeester will assume I write so much to chase away someone. No, I just am on a role.
The prevailing idea among Christians is that Jesus was 'subject to his parents', from age 12 to age 30,
That's what the Bible tells us. We didn't pull it out of thin air.
and that he stayed at home rather than go out into the world to preach and to teach to all people. Typical of Christianity in trying to lay hold of claim to Christ.
You have no evidence of a ministry before His coming John the Baptist to be baptized and commence His priestly ministry.
Where is your scripture indicating otherwise ?
Being a-traditional just for the sake of being a-traditional doesn't always work.
No doubt Jesus was subject to his parents, but not for 18 years.
Between ages 12 and 29 we are only told that He grew in grace and in wisdom, and such things as indicate a normal developing godly human being.
THIS IS GOD BECOME A MAN !!!