Bible Study (Miracles)

Originally posted by jimmyb270
[b]Consider for a moment the ramifications of free will

This free will thing is always tugged out. The thing is, God could have stopped us from doing evil without withholding our free will. Free will would still exist, "Shall I have toast or cereal this morning?" "Should I become a computer programmer or a novelist?".
Suppose I were to design a ...[text shortened]... It's just lazy thinking. If we'd always thought like that, we'd still be living in the trees.[/b]

Originally posted by jimmyb270
[b]Consider for a moment the ramifications of free will

This free will thing is always tugged out. The thing is, God could have stopped us from doing evil without withholding our free will. Free will would still exist, "Shall I have toast or cereal this morning?" "Should I become a computer programmer or a novelist?".
Suppose I were to design a ...[text shortened]... It's just lazy thinking. If we'd always thought like that, we'd still be living in the trees.[/b]

Originally posted by jimmyb270
[b]Consider for a moment the ramifications of free will

This free will thing is always tugged out. The thing is, God could have stopped us from doing evil without withholding our free will. Free will would still exist, "Shall I have toast or cereal this morning?" "Should I become a computer programmer or a novelist?".
Suppose I were to design a ...[text shortened]... It's just lazy thinking. If we'd always thought like that, we'd still be living in the trees.[/b]

Originally posted by bbarr
I think the part about "programming no limits into it" in the robot example is to be taken as an analogue of "without providing a suitable moral education" in your parent of a serial rapist example. If you fail to provide a suitable moral education to your child, and your child grows up to be a bad person, aren't you at least partly responsible?

Originally posted by jimmyb270
[b]Consider for a moment the ramifications of free will

This free will thing is always tugged out. The thing is, God could have stopped us from doing evil without withholding our free will. Free will would still exist, "Shall I have toast or cereal this morning?" "Should I become a computer programmer or a novelist?".
Suppose I were to design a ...[text shortened]... It's just lazy thinking. If we'd always thought like that, we'd still be living in the trees.[/b]

Originally posted by bbarr
I think the part about "programming no limits into it" in the robot example is to be taken as an analogue of "without providing a suitable moral education" in your parent of a serial rapist example. If you fail to provide a suitable moral education to your child, and your child grows up to be a bad person, aren't you at least partly responsible?

Originally posted by The Chess Express
If you give fish a bowl and some water to swim in and food to eat, and then the fish develop technologies that they know will poison the water and taint the food, is it your fault if they kill themselves? Would it not still be merciful to forgive them of their stupidity, and help them out from time to time?

If we lived the way God intended us to ...[text shortened]... re would be a lot fewer natural disasters (and a lot fewer problems in general for that matter).

Originally posted by Joe Fist
http://www.afsc.org/iraq/movie.htm

Watch this movie and try to explain away how God is truly a loving God to allow this all to happen?

Can I beat some of you Christians to the predictable answer you are going to give about mankind and free will and God has nothing to do with it? At least for me, it doesn't wash.

Originally posted by The Chess Express
Like I said "the problem is this world hasn’t gotten it yet."

Do you think these things would be happening if everybody lived the way God intended us to live?

Originally posted by Joe Fist
[b]Do you think these things would be happening if everybody lived the way God intended us to live?

From the Christian or perhaps most religious perspectives, no these particular problems would most likely not exist if we were more "Christian" like.

But the fundamental flaw comes from the Creator and not the Creation. The Creator could have eas ...[text shortened]... automobile maker not usually make a car that does not adhere to some kind of safety precautions?[/b]

Originally posted by Joe Fist
[b]Do you think these things would be happening if everybody lived the way God intended us to live?

From the Christian or perhaps most religious perspectives, no these particular problems would most likely not exist if we were more "Christian" like.

But the fundamental flaw comes from the Creator and not the Creation. The Creator could have eas ...[text shortened]... automobile maker not usually make a car that does not adhere to some kind of safety precautions?[/b]

Originally posted by Halitose
Don't you think Natural Law is a sufficient "moral education"?

Originally posted by dj2becker
[b]The Creator could have easily created us without the capacity to commit violent acts against each other. Does the automobile maker not usually make a car that does not adhere to some kind of safety precautions?

That way we would all be robots with no free will.[/b]

Originally posted by bbarr
I'm sorry, I don't understand the question. Where I come from, the term "Natural Law" refers to a particular ethical theory, most famously advocated by Aquinas.