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  1. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    17 Jul '18 09:26
    “This is the most beautiful and satisfactory
    explanation of creation to which I ever listened."

    Albert Einstein 1933

    First proposed by Georges Lemaitre, Catholic Priest.
  2. Standard member KellyJay
    Walk your Faith
    17 Jul '18 09:32
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    “This is the most beautiful and satisfactory
    explanation of creation to which I ever listened."

    [b]Albert Einstein 1933


    First proposed by Georges Lemaitre, Catholic Priest.[/b]
    The Big Bang does not address where everything came from. It is a mid-process theory,
    that has everything already here getting ready for another evolutionary state, about the
    change. Which means the question of where did everything come from, isn't addressed.
  3. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    17 Jul '18 09:56
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    The Big Bang does not address where everything came from. It is a mid-process theory,
    that has everything already here getting ready for another evolutionary state, about the
    change. Which means the question of where did everything come from, isn't addressed.
    Yeah, you are right.
    It's a pretty rubbish theory explaining the origin of energy and matter,
    and successfully predicting the formation of stars and galaxies. Plus
    it is totally supported by all our observations.

    Much better is: "Let there be light!"
  4. Standard member sonship
    the corrected one.
    17 Jul '18 10:16
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    Yeah, you are right.
    It's a pretty rubbish theory explaining the origin of energy and matter,
    and successfully predicting the formation of stars and galaxies. Plus
    it is totally supported by all our observations.

    Much better is: "Let there be light!"
    Who Banged it ?
  5. Standard member KellyJay
    Walk your Faith
    17 Jul '18 10:22
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    Yeah, you are right.
    It's a pretty rubbish theory explaining the origin of energy and matter,
    and successfully predicting the formation of stars and galaxies. Plus
    it is totally supported by all our observations.

    Much better is: "Let there be light!"
    Where did everything come from that went, "bang" where was it sitting, it had to be
    somewhere, what was going on before, what changed to make the bang? As I said, it
    doesn't explain where everything came from, even where just the universe came from, it
    simply goes so far back even our imaginations cannot go back any more. Successfully
    predicting the formation of stars and galaxies, explaining the origin of energy and matter?
    Were not all of those things in play before in the theory, just in some other state? If so,
    nothing about the origin was ever addressed, just some stop in another evolutionary
    process that we have to accept on faith.
  6. Standard member KellyJay
    Walk your Faith
    17 Jul '18 10:23
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    Yeah, you are right.
    It's a pretty rubbish theory explaining the origin of energy and matter,
    and successfully predicting the formation of stars and galaxies. Plus
    it is totally supported by all our observations.

    Much better is: "Let there be light!"
    Better than "let there be light" not sure how you are scoring better, one you like more?
    If better is the more accepted belief in the circles you like it is better, but the real better is
    truth, not opinion.
  7. Standard member sonship
    the corrected one.
    17 Jul '18 10:46
    Creation must have occured BEFORE God said "Let there be light" (Gen. 1:2)

    Look what was there for the LIGHT to shine upon.

    "But the earth became waste and emptiness, and darkness was on the surface of the deep.

    And the Spirit of God was brooding upon the surface of the waters.

    And God said, Let there be light, and there was light." (Gen. 1:2-4 Recovery Version)


    The surface of the waters existed. The deep existed, The waste and emptiness existed. So "Let there be light" was not their creation.

    Their creation occurred in verse 1 -

    "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (Gen. 1;1)
  8. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    17 Jul '18 10:47
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    Where did everything come from that went, "bang" where was it sitting, it had to be
    somewhere,
    "it had to be somewhere"
    If you have a theory for that you may well win a Nobel prize!
  9. Standard member sonship
    the corrected one.
    17 Jul '18 10:50
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    "it had to be somewhere"
    If you have a theory for that you may well win a Nobel prize!
    No he might not win a Nobel Prize.
    He may not win any prize at all except the prize of knowing the truth.

    Who BANGED the thing?
    Bangs need bangers.

    (I give you some credit for acknowledging that it was a religious guy who first proposed a Big Bang explanation.)
  10. Standard member sonship
    the corrected one.
    17 Jul '18 11:12 / 2 edits
    Wolfgang, what is your explanation for the incredible finely calibrated constants set in the big bang which made it possible for higher life to exist in the universe ?

    From the creation event there were certain constants established which were incredibly fine tuned. Had any been off by a minuscule degree human beings would not exist in the universe.


    The Fine-Tuning of the Universe (only about six minutes long)

    YouTube : =FineTuning
  11. Standard member KellyJay
    Walk your Faith
    17 Jul '18 11:27
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    "it had to be somewhere"
    If you have a theory for that you may well win a Nobel prize!
    God is the only answer that makes sense to me. As I said earlier the Big Bang doesn’t address where everything came from it just shows us where mankind’s ability to come up with even a theory ends.
  12. 17 Jul '18 12:27
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    “This is the most beautiful and satisfactory
    explanation of creation to which I ever listened."

    [b]Albert Einstein 1933


    First proposed by Georges Lemaitre, Catholic Priest.[/b]
    The big bang is creation ex nihilo.
  13. Standard member sonship
    the corrected one.
    17 Jul '18 14:05
    The quotation from Einstein is suspect and I would like to see the context.

    Far from liking the universe with a BEGINNING, Einstein in fact did NOT like the idea. When Hubble showed him the expanding universe Einstein did NOT like the implication of a beginning of the universe.

    His "cosmological constant" which he conceived for his theory of general relativity was a factor to calculate for a ever existing universe and not one with a beginning.

    He latter said that that constant was the biggest mistake of his life.
  14. Subscriber Tom Wolsey
    Aficionado of Prawns
    17 Jul '18 14:27
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    Yeah, you are right.
    It's a pretty rubbish theory explaining the origin of energy and matter
    Correct.
  15. 17 Jul '18 15:07
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    The Big Bang does not address where everything came from. It is a mid-process theory,
    that has everything already here getting ready for another evolutionary state, about the
    change. Which means the question of where did everything come from, isn't addressed.
    Actually it is a regression model describing how God's creation would have come from based on the universe God created.