15 Oct 06
My question are to the Jews and/or Muslims out there or any one with knowledge about such things. Where did the practice of blood sacrifice end and what theological reason is used to do so? It seems only Christianity holds to the thoelogy that God continues to require a blood sacrifice for sin.
15 Oct 06
Originally posted by whodey"Christianity" requires no such thing.
My question are to the Jews and/or Muslims out there or any one with knowledge about such things. Where did the practice of blood sacrifice end and what theological reason is used to do so? It seems only Christianity holds to the thoelogy that God continues to require a blood sacrifice for sin.
17 Oct 06
Originally posted by no1marauderThe blood sacrifice of Christ on the cross is a continuing sacrifice for the sins of Christians just as Jews used to sacrifice animals blood for their sins. This can be seen in Colossians 1:14 which says, In Christ we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins; who is the image of the invisible God, the first born of every creature......and having made peace through the blood of the cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself, by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven."
Is that "continuing"?
whodey: ....... that God continues to require a blood sacrifice for sin.
Also see Hebrews 9: 11-22 which says, "But now Christ has come, as the high priest of all the blessings which were to come. He has passed through the greater, the more perfect tent, which is better than the one made by men's hands because it is not of this created order; and he has entered the sanctuary once and for all, taking with him not the blood of goats and bull calves, but his own blood, having won an eternal redemption for us. The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer are sprinkled on those who have incurred defilement and they restore the holiness of their outward lives; how much more effectively the blood of Christ, who offered himself as the perfect sacrifice to God through the eternal Spirit, can purify our inner self from dead actions so that we do our service to the living God. And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For the testament is of force after men are dead; otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator lives. Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book and all the people, saying, 'This is the blood of the testament which God has enjoined to you.' Moreover he spinkled likewise with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessles of the ministry. And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."
17 Oct 06
I say again, where did the doctrine of blood sacrifice go, especially in Jewish theology. I realize that in Islamic theology much of the Bible is dismissed as being "altered" and therefore the necessity of blood sacrifice in the Old Testament can then be questioned as a result.
17 Oct 06
Originally posted by whodeyGod never asked me for a blood sacrifice, only the blood drives at my school.
My question are to the Jews and/or Muslims out there or any one with knowledge about such things. Where did the practice of blood sacrifice end and what theological reason is used to do so? It seems only Christianity holds to the thoelogy that God continues to require a blood sacrifice for sin.
17 Oct 06
Originally posted by whodeyThe Fallacy of Equivocation rides again.
The blood sacrifice of Christ on the cross is a continuing sacrifice for the sins of Christians just as Jews used to sacrifice animals blood for their sins. This can be seen in Colossians 1:14 which says, In Christ we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins; who is the image of the invisible God, the first born of every creature...... ...[text shortened]... l things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."
17 Oct 06
Originally posted by no1marauderNevertheless, Christain theology hangs heavily on the concept that sins must be paid for and that somebodys death (blood) is acceptable payment. Otherwise why did Christ die for our sins? Why so many people accept this as making sense continues to amaze me. I can understand punishment, but I cannot understand punishing yourself in 'payment' for anothers transgressions.
The Fallacy of Equivocation rides again.
17 Oct 06
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Originally posted by twhiteheadWhat about the theology of Judism? Why did they require blood sacrifices of animals? Does this make any more sense to you? And most importantly, and the reason I started this thread, where did it go?
Nevertheless, Christain theology hangs heavily on the concept that sins must be paid for and that somebodys death (blood) is acceptable payment. Otherwise why did Christ die for our sins? Why so many people accept this as making sense continues to amaze me. I can understand punishment, but I cannot understand punishing yourself in 'payment' for anothers transgressions.
17 Oct 06
Originally posted by whodeyIn Islam ther still a blood sacrifice. But it is not for the same purpose. It is not for every sin, and it is not for Adams sin. I don't know if you know that Muslims have two feasts. One if them is called the sacrifice feast. It is the same time when Muslims go for Meca to pilgrimage.
My question are to the Jews and/or Muslims out there or any one with knowledge about such things. Where did the practice of blood sacrifice end and what theological reason is used to do so? It seems only Christianity holds to the thoelogy that God continues to require a blood sacrifice for sin.
In that Feast every Muslim is asked to sacrifice a blood for himself and his family. Sacrifice could be by a lamb or a cow. The meat doesn't go for a mousqe or something. It gust spreaded to the needy people in the area. This sacrifice depends on the ability to do it. So if Muslim don't find enough money to do it he is not obligated to do it.
Muslims in pilgrimage also sacrifice for the forgiveness for any shortage in their pilgrimage.
Also when a new child is born his father should sacrifice for him. But this also is not for a specific sin. It is ment to let the devil away from the baby.
Also a Muslim could vow a sacrifice for something. He pray for GOD for something and vow that he will sacrifice blood for that.
It is also common that sacrifice is used to send a way the deivel from something. But I don't think this is something in the Islamic Law.
For all the types of sacrifice I mentioned above the sacrifice is not something you pay to god. It simply some sort of charity.
17 Oct 06
Originally posted by whodeyJudaism 101
My question are to the Jews and/or Muslims out there or any one with knowledge about such things. Where did the practice of blood sacrifice end and what theological reason is used to do so? It seems only Christianity holds to the thoelogy that God continues to require a blood sacrifice for sin.
http://www.jewfaq.org/qorbanot.htm