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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI could.
maybe you could copy and paste it to your forehead?
You would have to get permission from the watchtower society.
Or you would be disfellowshipped.
Not only thrown out of church, sob, but forbidden to speak to any JW's including family and friends.🙄
Originally posted by FMFGod clearly and simply said to "abstain from blood". Absolutely no exceptions even hinted in that scripture.
And here you are deliberately leaving words out of verse 29 in an attempt to make your point. Quite disgraceful really.
Verse 29 is about animal sacrifice and blood rites, and not life saving blood transfusions. And you are willing to pick out and extract words and remove them from their verse and isolate them from the complete sentence they came from in ord ...[text shortened]... ers that your corporate us-and-them affirming stance is somehow biblical, when it clearly isn't.
A simple question...would god excuse and forgive you if you were dying from extreme starvation and dehydration and the only thing available to you to keep you alive was a supply of fresh blood to drink in light of his command in the bible?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhen you "abbreviate" the verse you are attempting to disguise ~ and alter ~ its actual meaning. And it's no mystery why.
Wow once a knife wielding grammar prigg, now your propaganda is based on counting dots. Its only a matter of time before you evolve in to stiletto wearing edit Nazi, you could pick knits while you are up there and stand on the hands of anyone that abbreviates a sentence at the same time. Yes you are correct, its hilarious to see you reduced to this.
Originally posted by galveston75The scripture simply says abstain from animal sacrifice and blood rites. There's absolutely no hint that the prohibition applies to life saving blood transfusions.
God clearly and simply said to "abstain from blood". Absolutely no exceptions even hinted in that scripture.
Your scenario about saving a life by drinking some human blood is interesting, not least because, while you and robbie have dodged and deflected and refused to give a straight answer to a completely real and relatively common dilemma involving saving the lives of children or incompetent adults, and have been this for as long as I've known you, here you are now with a bizarre scenario.
Intake of blood might temporarily solve the dehydration problem but it would not solve the starvation problem - it's very low in nutrition and if we were to try to get enough nutrition from it, we would poison themselves with iron - which is toxic if we intake the amounts of the liquid that would be necessary.
Do I believe that, if one was dying from extreme starvation and dehydration and the only thing available to you to keep you alive was a supply of fresh blood to drink, I would use it?
Well, I see no bible verse that covers the scenario you mention. I see no reference to letting people die. I don't see how the scenario you mention has anything to do with animal sacrifice, eating the blood coming from a living animal, or part of some kind of blood rite.
Do you worship a God figure whose answer would be 'let them die - don't save their lives'? How does this square with the symbolism and metaphor ~ front and central in Christianity - of Jesus giving his blood to save all humans?
Originally posted by FMFNo the scripture does not simply say that. Lets try this again.
The scripture simply says abstain from animal sacrifice and blood rites. There's absolutely no hint that the prohibition applies to life saving blood transfusions.
Your scenario about saving a life by drinking some human blood is interesting, not least because, while you and robbie have dodged and deflected and refused to give a straight answer to a complete ...[text shortened]... and metaphor ~ front and central in Christianity - of Jesus giving his blood to save all humans?
Acts 15:29 International Standard Version (ISV)
29 to keep away from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from anything strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you avoid these things, you will do well. Goodbye.”
So.... (4 ) things that we are to "keep away from" and "avoid" or "abstain" are these:
1) food sacrificed to idols (period, do not eat this)
2) from blood (period, do nothing with blood other then for sacrificial purposes to be poured on ground only)
3) from anything strangled (period, do not eat this)
4) sexual immorality (period, no fornication, adultery, homosexuality)
Now every bible written by man says the very same thing this bible does so there is no need to paste this same scripture from others.
So yes you are right in you first thought but you are completely leaving out the command where it simply says to avoid, keep away from or abstain as other bibles say, from BLOOD.
Why is that? Do you just pick and choose what you want to live by and ignore the rest of the bible? If you are willing to use blood in a transfusion, you must be willing to eat food sacrificed to idols, eat food that has been strangled, comment sexual immorality?
I hope not, only you know but where do you draw the line on your following God's laws?
You either abstain from blood or you don't.
Originally posted by galveston75But blood transfusions have nothing to do with animal sacrifice, eating animal blood, performing blood rites.
No the scripture does not simply say that. Lets try this again.
Acts 15:29 International Standard Version (ISV)
29 to keep away from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from anything strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you avoid these things, you will do well. Goodbye.”
So.... (4 ) things that we are to "keep away from" and "avoid" ...[text shortened]... o you draw the line on your following God's laws?
You either abstain from blood or you don't.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI see what you have been dealing with.
They will split hairs and knit pick all day long, its what they do. Personally i find it rather tedious to be honest.
Who knows though, before the end, someone might develop thinking ability rather than being opposite for the fun of it.
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Originally posted by roigamThere has grown between us a kind of contempt through familiarity. Perhaps someone with a fresh perspective like you or someone with more patience like the Galveston may do better but experience has taught me that I am not well suited to reasoning with them for my temperament is too volatile and I give like for like which is not the Christian way as you know.
I see what you have been dealing with.
Who knows though, before the end, someone might develop thinking ability rather than being opposite for the fun of it.