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@fmf saidExternal "threats of retribution" does indeed motivate adherence to obedience of the laws governing moral conduct, and that is what we're talking about pursuant to the OP right?
Credible threats of retribution, if one falters, hammer observerance home.
But I'm inferring there is a higher motivator than threats of retribution. Jesus said if you love me you'll obey me. Love is the internal motivator which trumps threats.
Man made laws with its threats be damned. The law of God is love. The love of God in the heart of man bears the fruit of obedience to the law of God. It is the better way.
Do this and live the law demands
But gives me neither feet nor hands
A better way the gospel brings
It bids me fly and gives me wings
(Author unknown)
@fmf saidSome body in your home starts doing damage to you, your family, your property even from within your family you think consequences are not justified? It doesn’t matter does it if it’s a family members or strangers? You think the only consequences should revolve around behavior modification instead of punishment?
The "fear of reprisal" thing doesn't work on people who don't believe that there is anything real to justify or instil the "fear". That's why the threats of being 'tormented in burning flames for eternity' are morally incoherent with regard to non-Christians and other non-believers. There is no threat of "eternal torment" or "love" of a supernatural being that's motivating me to a morally sound person.
@kellyjay saidThere is no demented supernatural torture as a punishment after death for being a non-Christian, KellyJay. It is a figment of your imagination. Stop talking about my wife and children and family members - who actually do exist - they are none of your business and have nothing to do with your grotesque ideology. They will not be used by you as a creepy analogy for the morally incoherent and depraved revenge-wrath-torture nonsense that you believe. Desist.
Some body in your home starts doing damage to you, your family, your property even from within your family you think consequences are not justified? It doesn’t matter does it if it’s a family members or strangers? You think the only consequences should revolve around behavior modification instead of punishment?
@fmf saidYou should read the scriptures
There is no demented supernatural torture as a punishment after death for being a non-Christian, KellyJay. It is a figment of your imagination. Stop talking about my wife and children and family members - who actually do exist - they are none of your business and have nothing to do with your grotesque ideology. They will not be used by you as a creepy analogy for the morally incoherent and depraved revenge-wrath-torture nonsense that you believe. Desist.
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@fmf saidIt was a generic question that had nothing to do with your specific family. I will stop speaking to you if you desire.
There is no demented supernatural torture as a punishment after death for being a non-Christian, KellyJay. It is a figment of your imagination. Stop talking about my wife and children and family members - who actually do exist - they are none of your business and have nothing to do with your grotesque ideology. They will not be used by you as a creepy analogy for the morally incoherent and depraved revenge-wrath-torture nonsense that you believe. Desist.
@secondson saidSo, just to be clear, do you think it is "evil" to use capital punishment against homosexuals and adulterers?
External "threats of retribution" does indeed motivate adherence to obedience of the laws governing moral conduct, and that is what we're talking about pursuant to the OP right?
But I'm inferring there is a higher motivator than threats of retribution. Jesus said if you love me you'll obey me. Love is the internal motivator which trumps threats.
Man made laws with its ...[text shortened]... feet nor hands
A better way the gospel brings
It bids me fly and gives me wings
(Author unknown)
@kellyjay saidDo not try to use my family to illustrate or explain your superstutions. It's creepy. I have never mentioned your wife or your children or your family members to make any point about my observations about the human condition. Your belief that people will be tortured by your god figure for their thoughtcrimes after they die has no connection to my family in any way whatsoever.
It was a generic question that had nothing to do with your specific family. I will stop speaking to you if you desire.
@fmf saidNo where did I say your wife and kids! If you’re going to insert such things into my comments these conversations will stop here and now!
Do not try to use my family to illustrate or explain your superstutions. It's creepy. I have never mentioned your wife or your children or your family members to make any point about my observations about the human condition. Your belief that people will be tortured by your god figure for their thoughtcrimes after they die has no connection to my family in any way whatsoever.
@fmf saidI thought I answered that question, albeit somewhat obliquely, on page ten in reply to the OP.
So, just to be clear, do you think it is "evil" to use capital punishment against homosexuals and adulterers?
I think stoning to death an adult for engaging in consensual sex with another adult is too harsh. I think that the one who would cast the stone would be guilty of murder.
Then there's the other side of the coin. It had been said, by one of your countrymen(I forget his name), that adultery was akin to treason, which is punishable by death. The reason being that the effects of adultery on society as a whole essentially causes the death of a nation because it destroys marriage which is the fundamental building block of society.
I think some form of punishment should be meted out to anyone that engages in any immoral behavior that undermines the peace and tranquility of a vibrant and healthy social order, depending on the severity of the offense.
I don't think, for example, that a man should have his hand cut off for stealing. That is mutilation and barbaric.
Only God can sanction capital punishment, and He has.
Genesis 9:6
"Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man."
First degree intentional homicide.
That sanction has never been rescinded.
@kellyjay saidJust leave my family - "in [my] home", as you described it - and my family members out of it. Refer to your own family if you wish to when peddling your vile supernatural-punishments ideology. I ask you to desist.
No where did I say your wife and kids! If you’re going to insert such things into my comments these conversations will stop here and now!
@secondson saidIs it "evil", to your way of thinking?
I think stoning to death an adult for engaging in consensual sex with another adult is too harsh.
@secondson saidWould making adultery punishable by death be "evil"? Forget the method of execution.
Then there's the other side of the coin. It had been said, by one of your countrymen(I forget his name), that adultery was akin to treason, which is punishable by death. The reason being that the effects of adultery on society as a whole essentially causes the death of a nation because it destroys marriage which is the fundamental building block of society.