1. Standard memberDoctorScribbles
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    07 Aug '08 23:061 edit
    How does it make you feel when you hear other Christians say that being gay is sinful? Are they correct?
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    Being happy is sinful?
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    08 Aug '08 01:52
    Originally posted by Palynka
    Being happy is sinful?
    all levity will be severely punished😠
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    08 Aug '08 04:091 edit
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    How does it make you feel when you hear other Christians say that being gay is sinful? Are they correct?
    Who says he is gay? 😛
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    Originally posted by duecer
    all levity will be severely punished😠
    Apparently that was how the monks of old took it.
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    08 Aug '08 23:441 edit
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    How does it make you feel when you hear other Christians say that being gay is sinful? Are they correct?
    I am often deeply agonized and depressed over the fact that homosexuality is a sin. I don't fully understand why it is a sin, unlike something like murder or theft, which involves the harming of another unwitting person, which I can understand being a sin.

    I've never had what I would considered to be a well-thought-out Christian tell me that "being gay is sinful." They will say that homosexual acts are sinful, but not that my being gay is sinful per se.

    Since I am still a (50 year old) virgin, one could I suppose ask whether I'm really "gay" at all, since even though I have homosexual desires and have never had heterosexual desires for even one second in my life, I've never acted upon them in a sex act with another person.

    Anyway, that's my long-winded answer.
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    09 Aug '08 01:42
    Originally posted by gaychessplayer
    I am often deeply agonized and depressed over the fact that homosexuality is a sin. I don't fully understand why it is a sin, unlike something like murder or theft, which involves the harming of another unwitting person, which I can understand being a sin.

    I've never had what I would considered to be a well-thought-out Christian tell me tha ...[text shortened]... ed upon them in a sex act with another person.

    Anyway, that's my long-winded answer.
    There's really no good reason why it should be considered a sin. Then again, neither should "looking at a woman to lust after her". You don't see that one stopping many straight guys.
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    09 Aug '08 02:15
    Originally posted by gaychessplayer
    I am often deeply agonized and depressed over the fact that homosexuality is a sin. I don't fully understand why it is a sin, unlike something like murder or theft, which involves the harming of another unwitting person, which I can understand being a sin.

    I've never had what I would considered to be a well-thought-out Christian tell me tha ...[text shortened]... ed upon them in a sex act with another person.

    Anyway, that's my long-winded answer.
    As a christian, I don't have a problem with people who are gay. Sex is between 2 loving committed monogomous adults, orientation matters little
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    09 Aug '08 03:43
    Originally posted by gaychessplayer
    I am often deeply agonized and depressed over the fact that homosexuality is a sin. I don't fully understand why it is a sin, unlike something like murder or theft, which involves the harming of another unwitting person, which I can understand being a sin.

    I've never had what I would considered to be a well-thought-out Christian tell me tha ...[text shortened]... ed upon them in a sex act with another person.

    Anyway, that's my long-winded answer.
    In my opinion it was labelled a sin because the tribes needed every person they could get to survive! More warm bodies holding weapons, tools, etc.
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    09 Aug '08 09:43
    Originally posted by gaychessplayer
    I am often deeply agonized and depressed over the fact that homosexuality is a sin. I don't fully understand why it is a sin, unlike something like murder or theft, which involves the harming of another unwitting person, which I can understand being a sin.

    I've never had what I would considered to be a well-thought-out Christian tell me tha ...[text shortened]... ed upon them in a sex act with another person.

    Anyway, that's my long-winded answer.
    If I told you I held a set of beliefs that left me 'often deeply agonised and depressed', what would you say to me?
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    09 Aug '08 13:252 edits
    Originally posted by gaychessplayer
    I am often deeply agonized and depressed over the fact that homosexuality is a sin. I don't fully understand why it is a sin, unlike something like murder or theft, which involves the harming of another unwitting person, which I can understand being a sin.

    I've never had what I would considered to be a well-thought-out Christian tell me tha ed upon them in a sex act with another person.

    Anyway, that's my long-winded answer.
    How can homosexual acts be “sinful” (whatever exactly “sinful” and "sin" is supposed to mean) providing there are no victims from such an act? -it would be like a victimless crime.
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    09 Aug '08 16:36
    Originally posted by Andrew Hamilton
    How can homosexual acts be “sinful” (whatever exactly “sinful” and "sin" is supposed to mean) providing there are no victims from such an act? -it would be like a victimless crime.
    They make the sky-monkey cry.
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    09 Aug '08 17:58
    Originally posted by snowinscotland
    If I told you I held a set of beliefs that left me 'often deeply agonised and depressed', what would you say to me?
    First, I would express my sympathy and would perhaps feel empathy for your plight. But the ultimate test of a belief, for me anyway, isn't "does it make me feel good", but "is it true?" Having negative feelings toward a belief doesn't make it false any more than having positive feelings toward a belief makes it true. If I believe the Bible to be the Word of God, and have rational grounds for believing that it is, then as a rational being I have to accept what it says, no matter what I think about it.

    I'll conclude with an old riddle: What's the difference between someone who is psychotic and someone who is neurotic?

    Answer: The psychotic says "2+2=5", while the neurotic says "2+2=4...AND IT'S DRIVING ME CRAZY!"
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    09 Aug '08 18:043 edits
    Originally posted by Andrew Hamilton
    How can homosexual acts be “sinful” (whatever exactly “sinful” and "sin" is supposed to mean) providing there are no victims from such an act? -it would be like a victimless crime.
    "Sin" is a term borrowed from archery which means "to miss the mark." To sin is to deviate, or "miss the mark" from God's standard, which is to say, to deviate from holiness. Homosexuality is certainly a "victimless crime" in a civil-law context, but my relationship to the Holy One would be compromised by deviating from His standard of sexual holiness (which can only occur in heterosexual marriage).
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    09 Aug '08 21:041 edit
    Originally posted by gaychessplayer
    "Sin" is a term borrowed from archery which means "to miss the mark." To sin is to deviate, or "miss the mark" from God's standard, which is to say, to deviate from holiness. Homosexuality is certainly a "victimless crime" in a civil-law context, but my relationship to the Holy One would be compromised by deviating from His standard of sexual holiness (which can only occur in heterosexual marriage).
    The etymology of "sin" is more complicated than that.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin#Etymology
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