1. Subscribersonhouse
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    Is he that powerful?
  2. Standard memberAcemaster
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    No.
  3. Felicific Forest
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    01 Jan '07 01:521 edit
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Is he that powerful?
    God is omnipotent, however this does not mean he can perform illogical impossible acts. Hell is the absence of God, which makes your question an illogical one.

    The question is a variation of the question whether or not God can make a stone he cannot lift.
  4. Standard memberscottishinnz
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    01 Jan '07 06:24
    Originally posted by ivanhoe
    God is omnipotent, however this does not mean he can perform illogical impossible acts.
    Yes it does.
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    01 Jan '07 11:281 edit
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Is he that powerful?
    Would he? I mean, sure, in the end, if he exists, he's ultimately
    responsible for everything that has happened in his creation, right? He knew
    what he created in Hitler, Saddam, Stalin, Bush, Blair and all the other, so
    they're not really responsible for the pain they've caused other people, but
    God.

    Honestly though, if I were God I wouldn't punish myself. That would be
    ridiculous.
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    01 Jan '07 11:321 edit
    Originally posted by ivanhoe
    God is omnipotent, however this does not mean he can perform illogical impossible acts.
    Why?

    Oh, and since omnipotence apparently has it's limitations, perhaps they are
    narrower than you think. Perhaps, it's like God is a manager of a chocolate
    factory. He can't make sure that all chocolate is made equal, and only
    saves the perfect pieces for himself. The rest is either thrown back into the
    blender for reproduction or given to the poor. In either case, God still won't
    throw himself in the blender, because he's clearly not chocolate.
  7. Donationkirksey957
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    01 Jan '07 13:33
    Originally posted by stocken
    Would he? I mean, sure, in the end, if he exists, he's ultimately
    responsible for everything that has happened in his creation, right? He knew
    what he created in Hitler, Saddam, Stalin, Bush, Blair and all the other, so
    they're not really responsible for the pain they've caused other people, but
    God.

    Honestly though, if I were God I wouldn't punish myself. That would be
    ridiculous.
    Well, according to Christian tradition and some of the creeds "He descended into hell." Whether this qualifies as "banishing himself to hell" I don't know. I do know it has no bearing on how my day will end up.
  8. Standard memberPhlabibit
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    01 Jan '07 13:36
    God is so powerful he can create a stone he could never lift... and so pewerful he'd lift it with one finger!

    P-
  9. Standard memberflclkris
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    01 Jan '07 14:14
    Originally posted by stocken
    Would he? I mean, sure, in the end, if he exists, he's ultimately
    responsible for everything that has happened in his creation, right? He knew
    what he created in Hitler, Saddam, Stalin, Bush, Blair and all the other, so
    they're not really responsible for the pain they've caused other people, but
    God.

    Honestly though, if I were God I wouldn't punish myself. That would be
    ridiculous.
    I think Stocken has the main point here. If God exists, he's so awesome and smart that he'd never do something so stupid as to make himself burn and torture for all eternity simply for the pleasure of everyone knowing that God sent himself to Hell... just to get everyone a good chuckle or whatever purpose it would serve.
  10. Standard memberPhlabibit
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    01 Jan '07 14:33
    Originally posted by flclkris
    I think Stocken has the main point here. If God exists, he's so awesome and smart that he'd never do something so stupid as to make himself burn and torture for all eternity simply for the pleasure of everyone knowing that God sent himself to Hell... just to get everyone a good chuckle or whatever purpose it would serve.
    But he'll let himself get duped by the Devil and torture Job and his family to prove a point... right?

    Sweeeeeeeeeeet! God rocks!

    P-
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    01 Jan '07 14:51
    Originally posted by Phlabibit
    But he'll let himself get duped by the Devil and torture Job and his family to prove a point... right?

    Sweeeeeeeeeeet! God rocks!

    P-
    lol ... Thats funny!
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    02 Jan '07 11:18
    Originally posted by stocken
    Would he? I mean, sure, in the end, if he exists, he's ultimately
    responsible for everything that has happened in his creation, right? He knew
    what he created in Hitler, Saddam, Stalin, Bush, Blair and all the other, so
    they're not really responsible for the pain they've caused other people, but
    God.
    God gave everybody choices. He can try to influence them in the right direction, but cannot change them.

    Think of it like a disease. You can't say, "God gave me cancer." because God cannot do that. God put himself in a box. He cannot send somebody cancer. He can allow someone to get it, though.
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    02 Jan '07 12:04
    Originally posted by Acemaster
    God gave everybody choices. He can try to influence them in the right direction, but cannot change them.

    Think of it like a disease. You can't say, "God gave me cancer." because God cannot do that. God put himself in a box. He cannot send somebody cancer. He can allow someone to get it, though.
    Cancer? Cancer? You couldn't come up with something that we actually
    do control on a personal level? I can get cancer due to factors
    outside my control, such as being exposed to the toxic waste of the
    preaching fundamentalist. Brain cancer! Aouch!

    Your argument only weakens the alleged power of God. If he created this
    crappy globe, then decided not to interfere in any way, why do so many
    people pray to him for this or that, and then expect him to help them
    out? That just doesn't make any sense. He's not going to interfere,
    right? No wait. He helps those who accept him their hearts and that stuff,
    yea? 😵

    Hm, I think you might be an imperfect piece of chocolate, there mate.
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    02 Jan '07 15:05
    Originally posted by scottishinnz
    Yes it does.
    No, it does not, genius.
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    02 Jan '07 15:072 edits
    Originally posted by stocken
    Why?

    Oh, and since omnipotence apparently has it's limitations, perhaps they are
    narrower than you think. Perhaps, it's like God is a manager of a chocolate
    factory. He can't make sure that all chocolate is made equal, and only
    saves the perfect pieces for himself. The rest is either thrown back into the
    blender for reproduction or given to the po ...[text shortened]... r case, God still won't
    throw himself in the blender, because he's clearly not chocolate.
    As a matter of fact He did throw himself in the blender ......
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