Originally posted by sonhouseI think the theist could argue, if necessary, that the infinite in "infinite memory" is a bigger type of infinity than the infinite in "infinite time".
If your god is omniscient it would stand to reason it would also have infinite memory. But with infinite time, is infinite memory enough to let it see everything everywhere and every time?
Originally posted by sonhouseYou're mixing your definitions.
If your god is omniscient it would stand to reason it would also have infinite memory. But with infinite time, is infinite memory enough to let it see everything everywhere and every time?
He has always existed (without beginning).
He will always exist (without ending).
He knows everything that can be known.
He knows all possible outcomes, possible and actual.
Time is a creation of God for the convenience of His creatures, as for Him, there is no time: one minute is the same as a thousand years.
There are no absurdities in God; absurdities only appear in the minds of those looking at Him from their diminished perspectives.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHTime is a creation of God for the convenience of His creatures, as for Him, there is no time: one minute is the same as a thousand years.
You're mixing your definitions.
He has always existed (without beginning).
He will always exist (without ending).
He knows everything that can be known.
He knows all possible outcomes, possible and actual.
Time is a creation of God for the convenience of His creatures, as for Him, there is no time: one minute is the same as a thousand years.
...[text shortened]... bsurdities only appear in the minds of those looking at Him from their diminished perspectives.
If this is the case then how does your god "get things done" if temporality has no meaning for your god?
Originally posted by AgergIf you mean in time, as it relates to man (for instance, the so-called miracles of the Bible), He isn't restricted by a schedule nor is He unable to move in time locally, as desired.
[b]Time is a creation of God for the convenience of His creatures, as for Him, there is no time: one minute is the same as a thousand years.
If this is the case then how does your god "get things done" if temporality has no meaning for your god?[/b]
However, in relation to overall creation, before there was time there was...
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHI refer now to "time" not as it relates to man but as it relates to your god (from it's perspective). Are all it's actions instantaneous from it's perspective? or is there some sort of temporal line (or plane, or higher dimensional space) with which there is some notion of before and after for this entity (that would serve as "time" - albeit by a different name)?
If you mean in time, as it relates to man (for instance, the so-called miracles of the Bible), He isn't restricted by a schedule nor is He unable to move in time locally, as desired.
However, in relation to overall creation, before there was time there was...
Originally posted by Agergeternal heaven doesn't imply eternal time. it could be outside normal time. which if we admit of a creator of time-space would be reasonable.
Yes...implied not only by some eternal heaven. I should have been stricter in my last post to say: "...majority of theists on these boards".