This is an example of religion not mixing with science.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre
Monseigneur Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître, (French: [ləmɛtʁ] ( listen); 17 July 1894 – 20 June 1966) was a Belgian priest, astronomer and professor of physics at the Université catholique de Louvain.[1] He was the first person to propose the theory of the expansion of the Universe, widely misattributed to Edwin Hubble.[2][3] He was also the first to derive what is now known as Hubble's law and made the first estimation of what is now called the Hubble constant, which he published in 1927, two years before Hubble's article.[4][5][6][7] Lemaître also proposed what became known as the Big Bang theory of the origin of the Universe, which he called his 'hypothesis of the primeval atom'.[8]
the following is from a humorous article about him found here:
http://www.cracked.com/article_20662_5-awesome-things-invented-by-last-people-youd-expect.html
The idea that one little "atom" started it all at a defined point in history sounded a hell of a lot like a priest spouting pseudo-science to back his own beliefs.
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But that was OK, because at least somebody believed in Lemaitre's scientific theory: the Vatican. The Catholic Church elected Lemaitre to its Academy of Sciences in Rome, and he became its president in 1960. And the pope happily declared that the man's big bang discovery was proof of creationism and validated Catholicism, but Lemaitre told him to hold back on this last pronouncement. Lemaitre liked science. Lemaitre liked religion. But he said that, much like the Ghostbusters' streams, you shouldn't ever cross them. Because that would cause total protonic reversal. Or a bunch of pointless arguments. Whichever.
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here is where it is stated his belief was that science and religion should never mix:
http://books.google.ro/books?id=eq7TfxZOzSEC&pg=PA60&dq=&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false)
Originally posted by Zahlanzihttp://books.google.ro/books?id=eq7TfxZOzSEC&pg=PA60&dq=&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
This is an example of religion not mixing with science.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre
Monseigneur Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître, (French: [ləmɛtʁ] ( listen); 17 July 1894 – 20 June 1966) was a Belgian priest, astronomer and professor of physics at the Université catholique de Louvain.[1] He was the first perso ...[text shortened]... mix:
http://books.google.ro/books?id=eq7TfxZOzSEC&pg=PA60&dq=&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false)
If this page were in English, I might be able to tell why it refused to load.
Originally posted by Suziannehmm, its an excerpt from google books. probably you aren't allowed from your location or are at work with funky policies.
http://books.google.ro/books?id=eq7TfxZOzSEC&pg=PA60&dq=&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
If this page were in English, I might be able to tell why it refused to load.
i am gonna type it for you:
"Many scientists as well as non-scientists have given in to the temptation of substituting science with God at the moment of creation. Lemaitre always considered this a pseudo solution, scientifically as well as theologically illegitimate. Not only is God a nonsensical concept from the point of view of science (since it is beyond mathematical reasoning and experimental testing), but from the point of religion it would be all wrong to reduce god to a scientific hypothesis. [...] He believed that religious and philosophical values were important, indeed essential, to the scientist on a broader ethical level, but they should not interfere in his methods or conclusions".
Monseigneur Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître, (French: [ləmɛtʁ] ( listen); 17 July 1894 – 20 June 1966) was a Belgian priest, astronomer and professor of physics at the Université catholique de Louvain.[1] He was the first person to propose the theory of the expansion of the Universe, widely misattributed to Edwin Hubble.[2][3] He was also the first to derive what is now known as Hubble's law and made the first estimation of what is now called the Hubble constant, which he published in 1927, two years before Hubble's article.[4][5][6][7] Lemaître also proposed what became known as the Big Bang theory of the origin of the Universe, which he called his 'hypothesis of the primeval atom'.[8]
Its true. A Catholic clergyman first proposed the expansion of an infinitesimal small singularity which has come to be known as the Big Bang.
Broke my heart!
Do you think we on this Forum will ever become truly more objective about history - giving credit where it is due and not just blame where it seems generalizations and scorched earth tactics are more handy ?
Ie. Catholic clerics who supported Galileo's heliocentric solar system.
Originally posted by sonshipnobody changes his mind because of arguments on the internet. perhaps if we leave arrogance aside when talking to YECS, some might adjust their position. of course, this must be mutual. it is really annoying to try and be fair, patient and open to discussion when rhinds signs his posts with "the instructor", much like a 5 year old would.
[quote] Monseigneur Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître, (French: [ləmɛtʁ] ( listen); 17 July 1894 – 20 June 1966) was a Belgian priest, astronomer and professor of physics at the Université catholique de Louvain.[1] He was the first person to propose the theory of the expansion of the Universe, widely misattributed to Edwin Hubble.[2][3] He ...[text shortened]... more handy ?
Ie. Catholic clerics who suppported Galileo's heliocentric solar system.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/debating/gish.html
this link shows how one must debate opposing duane gish, a creationist. i believe that number 4 ( Avoid arrogance, appeal to authority, and similar attitudes and tactics) should apply in all debates for both sides. the others are worth considering as well. as long as we all respect these points, change could happen.
Originally posted by Zahlanzi"And the pope happily declared that the man's big bang discovery was proof of creationism and validated Catholicism"
This is an example of religion not mixing with science.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre
Monseigneur Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître, (French: [ləmɛtʁ] ( listen); 17 July 1894 – 20 June 1966) was a Belgian priest, astronomer and professor of physics at the Université catholique de Louvain.[1] He was the first perso ...[text shortened]... mix:
http://books.google.ro/books?id=eq7TfxZOzSEC&pg=PA60&dq=&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false)
I think this sentence may be misleading. Creationism at least in the US, is self-described as referring to a young-earth, literal Genesis account of origins. RCC dogma is not this. The sentence should say "consistent with divine creation" or words to that effect. Of course the church has evolved; possibly that pope was himself a creationist.
Originally posted by ZahlanziDoesn't load for me who usually have no problem. I get "Nu sunt disponibile cărţi electronice" which google recognizes as Romanian and translates to "eBooks are not available".
hmm, its an excerpt from google books. probably you aren't allowed from your location or are at work with funky policies.
i am gonna type it for you:
"Many scientists as well as non-scientists have given in to the temptation of substituting science with God at the moment of creation. Lemaitre always considered this a pseudo solution, scientificall ...[text shortened]... entist on a broader ethical level, but they should not interfere in his methods or conclusions".
(There are special characters in the Romanian phrase which RHP does not recognize.)
Originally posted by sonshipI've been saying for years that there is no reason why one cannot understand and accept science and still have faith in God.
[quote] Monseigneur Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître, (French: [ləmɛtʁ] ( listen); 17 July 1894 – 20 June 1966) was a Belgian priest, astronomer and professor of physics at the Université catholique de Louvain.[1] He was the first person to propose the theory of the expansion of the Universe, widely misattributed to Edwin Hubble.[2][3] He ...[text shortened]... more handy ?
Ie. Catholic clerics who supported Galileo's heliocentric solar system.
God is WAY bigger than the literalist YECs think He is.
Originally posted by ZahlanziWhy should you believe what a Roman Catholic Priest says? Do they really have any credibility?
This is an example of religion not mixing with science.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre
Monseigneur Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître, (French: [ləmɛtʁ] ( listen); 17 July 1894 – 20 June 1966) was a Belgian priest, astronomer and professor of physics at the Université catholique de Louvain.[1] He was the first perso ...[text shortened]... mix:
http://books.google.ro/books?id=eq7TfxZOzSEC&pg=PA60&dq=&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false)
Poland's Catholic church apologizes as pedophile scandal spreads
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/328518/news/world/poland-s-catholic-church-apologizes-as-pedophile-scandal-spreads
The Instructor
Originally posted by JS357Creationism is many flavours, even in your US.
"And the pope happily declared that the man's big bang discovery was proof of creationism and validated Catholicism"
I think this sentence may be misleading. Creation[b]ism at least in the US, is self-described as referring to a young-earth, literal Genesis account of origins. RCC dogma is not this. The sentence should say "consistent with divine creati ...[text shortened]... to that effect. Of course the church has evolved; possibly that pope was himself a creationist.[/b]
http://ncse.com/creationism/general/creationevolution-continuum
this paints the picture of creationism, mainly US.
"The sentence should say "consistent with divine creation""
this was said from the point of view of the vatican, who not surprisingly own their interpretation of christianity (catholicism). from their point of view, catholicism is the true christianity and this theory validates it.
not sure i see much importance in this anyway. this wasn't but something to set the context.
Originally posted by sonshipperhaps if, like i said, both parties keep their posts arrogance free and logical fallacies free, we just might.nobody changes his mind because of arguments on the internet.
Maybe Internet discussion forums attract people who are entrenched in their opinions.
I'd like to think I do learn a thing or two though .... or three.
Originally posted by JS357heh, so that's the issue
Doesn't load for me who usually have no problem. I get "Nu sunt disponibile cărţi electronice" which google recognizes as Romanian and translates to "eBooks are not available".
(There are special characters in the Romanian phrase which RHP does not recognize.)
ok, load this,
http://www.cracked.com/article_20662_5-awesome-things-invented-by-last-people-youd-expect.html
go to the last paragraph of #5. The Big Bang Theory Was Invented by a Catholic Priest
then click on " shouldn't ever cross them."
and read the rest while you're there, they are fairly interesting. or if you don't wanna click, what i typed for suzianne is mostly what's needed to make the point
Originally posted by RJHindsmore than what your cult has. what obscure cult are you a part of again?
Why should you believe what a Roman Catholic Priest says? Do they really have any credibility?
Poland's Catholic church apologizes as pedophile scandal spreads
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/328518/news/world/poland-s-catholic-church-apologizes-as-pedophile-scandal-spreads
The Instructor
"Poland's Catholic church apologizes as pedophile scandal spreads"
non sequitor. ad hominem.