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    14 Jun '12 17:381 edit
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Handedness is nothing new. That has been bandied about in the literature for decades.
    The fact they have not found righthand life forms is not proof righthandedness is impossible as a life form, only that we don't find it here on Earth.

    It might take 400 years to prove it but so what, that is a short time even in the space of mankind's historic existen a plagiarized version of creation on top of it. It's not even Jewish. It's early Egyptian.
    and babylonian and sumerian...and a lot of greek in the NT
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    14 Jun '12 18:01
    Originally posted by VoidSpirit
    and babylonian and sumerian...and a lot of greek in the NT
    yeah right, like you zoobs would know, where's your empirical evidence so that we can
    blast it away by the sheer power of scripture?
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    14 Jun '12 19:19
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    yeah right, like you zoobs would know, where's your empirical evidence so that we can
    blast it away by the sheer power of scripture?
    Put this in your meerschaum and smoke it๐Ÿ™‚

    http://freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Was_the_bible_plagiarized_from_other_works_of_fiction%3F
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    14 Jun '12 20:25
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Put this in your meerschaum and smoke it๐Ÿ™‚

    http://freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Was_the_bible_plagiarized_from_other_works_of_fiction%3F
    heard it! neeeext!
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    14 Jun '12 20:381 edit
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Its not my fault, it was provided in the answer that i received from my maths doctor I
    am merely passing it along, never the less, Dr Mortons qualifications are outstanding,
    i quote,

    Dr. Morton holds a Ph.D. from George Washington University in Cellular Studies, has
    taught biology at American University and George Washington University, and she get her doctorate, another one that fell in the Clyde and came up with
    it in her pocket.
    I think that makes her more qualified than Proper Knob, sunhouse, and perhaps even myself to have an opinion on the subject.
    HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord!

    P.S. I forget to mention VoidSpirit, but we know he is a nobody anyway.
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    14 Jun '12 20:45
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Are you somehow forgetting just how big planet Earth is? Besides quadrillions of molecules pitched down from asteroid, comets, meteorites where there already are complex molecules, you know they don't just start out with bare carbon, bare nitrogen, you know that don't you? Besides all that, there are literally trillions of separate places on earth for compl ...[text shortened]... ears old, not seeing the forest for the trees, blinded from reality by their stupid agenda.
    If you could just realize God made all those things you just mentioned, we might be able to have a reasonable discussion.
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    14 Jun '12 20:47
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Put this in your meerschaum and smoke it๐Ÿ™‚

    http://freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Was_the_bible_plagiarized_from_other_works_of_fiction%3F
    It is another Atheist website. No crediblity with YEC.
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    14 Jun '12 21:02
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    It is another Atheist website. No crediblity with YEC.
    So you think they just made up that stuff? That is referring to actual historical data not some stoner in an atheistic orgy writing shyte down on a slate with a crayon.
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    15 Jun '12 01:12
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    yeah right, like you zoobs would know, where's your empirical evidence so that we can
    blast it away by the sheer power of scripture?
    the empirical evidence is in the writings of the sumerians, babylonians and egyptians. some of which has already been presented here.

    it was not too long ago that i proved beyond a doubt that the noah/flood story was taken part and parcel from the sumerian flood epic. the story of the creation of man and parts of the eden story was also taken from sumerian mythology, even the name of adam comes from the sumerian "adamu" meaning first man.

    it is not surprising that the jews took most of their mythos from other mythologies. they invented their religion while they were in babylon.
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    15 Jun '12 01:15
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    heard it! neeeext!
    wow, that's some blasting away. i guess you really meant that you would crash and burn in the face of superior knowledge.
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    Originally posted by VoidSpirit
    wow, that's some blasting away. i guess you really meant that you would crash and burn in the face of superior knowledge.
    superior knowledge, LOL, that made me laugh.

    Perhaps you have more knowledge than the trustees of the British museum?

    “The fundamental conceptions of the Babylonian and Hebrew accounts are essentially
    different.” -

    http://www.fullbooks.com/The-Babylonian-Legends-of-the-Creation.html
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    Sumerian myth tablet 1

    When on high the heaven had not been named,
    Firm ground below had not been called by name,
    When primordial Apsu, their begetter,
    And Mummu-Tiamat, she who bore them all,
    Their waters mingled as a single body,
    No reed hut had sprung forth, no marshland had appeared,
    None of the gods had been brought into being,
    And none bore a name, and no destinies determined--
    Then it was that the gods were formed in the midst of heaven.
    Lahmu and Lahamu were brought forth, by name they were called. (10)

    Before they had grown in age and stature,
    Anshar and Kishar were formed, surpassing the others.
    Long were the days, then there came forth.....
    Anu was their heir, of his fathers the rival;
    Yes, Anshar's first-born, Anu, was his equal.
    Anu begot in his image Nudimmud.
    This Nudimmud was of his fathers the master;
    Of broad wisdom, understanding, mighty in strength,
    Mightier by far than his grandfather, Anshar.
    He had no rival among the gods, his brothers. (20)

    Thus were established and were... the great gods.
    They disturbed Tiamat as they surged back and forth,
    Yes, they troubled the mood of Tiamat
    By their hilarity in the Abode of Heaven.
    Apsu could not lessen their clamor
    And Tiamat was speechless at their ways.
    Their doings were loathsome unto . . . .
    Thier way was evil; they were overbearing.
    Then Apsu, the begetter of the great gods,
    Cried out, addressing Mummu, his minister: (30)

    "O Mummu, my vizier, who rejoices my spirit,
    Come here and let us go to Tiamat!"
    They went and sat down before Tiamat,
    Exchanging counsel about the gods, their first-born.
    Apsu, opening his mouth,
    Said to resplendent Tiamat:
    "Their ways are truly loathsome to me.
    By day I find no relief, nor repose by night.
    I will destroy, I will wreck their ways,
    That quiet may be restored. Let us have rest!" (40)

    As soon as Tiamat heard this,
    She was furious and called out to her husband.
    She cried out aggrieved, as she raged all alone,
    She uttered a curse, and unto Apsu she spoke:
    "What? Should we destroy that which we have built?
    Their ways indeed are most troublesome, but let us attend kindly!"
    Then Mummu answered, giving counsel to Apsu;
    Ill-wishing and ungracious was Mummu's advice:
    "Do destroy, my father, the mutinous ways.
    Then you will have relief by day and rest by night!" (50)

    When Apsu heard this, his face grew radiant
    Because of the evil he planned against the gods, his sons.
    As for Mummu, he embraced him by the neck
    As that one sat down on his knees to kiss him.
    Now whatever they had plotted between them,
    Was repeated unto the gods, their first-born.
    When the gods heard this, they were astir,
    Then lapsed into silence and remained speechless.
    Surpassing in wisdom, accomplished, resourceful,
    Ea, the all-wise, saw through their scheme. (60)

    A master design against it he devised and set up,
    Made artful his spell against it, surpassing and holy.
    He recited it and made it subsist in the deep,
    As he poured sleep upon him. Sound asleep he lay.
    When he had made Apsu prone, drenched with sleep,
    Mummu, the adviser, was powerless to stir.
    He loosened his band, tore off his tiara,
    Removed his halo and put it on himself.
    Having fettered Apsu, he slew him.
    Mummu he bound and left behind lock. (70)

    Having thus established his dwelling upon Apsu,
    He laid hold of Mummu, holding him by the nose-rope.
    After Ea had vanquished and trodden down his foes,
    Had secured his triumph over his enemies,
    In his sacred chamber in profound peace had rested,
    He named it "Apsu," for shrines he assigned it.
    In that same place his cult hut he founded.
    Ea and Damkina, his wife, dwelled there in splendor.

    [The Birth of Marduk]
    In the chamber of fates, the abode of destinies,
    A god was engendered, most able and wisest of gods. (80)

    In the heart of Apsu was Marduk created,
    In the heart of holy Apsu was Marduk created.
    He who begot him was Ea, his father;
    She who bore him was Damkina, his mother.
    The breast of goddesses he did suck.
    The nurse that nursed him filled him with awesomeness.
    Alluring was his figure, sparkling the lift of his eyes.
    Lordly was his gait, commanding from of old.
    When Ea saw him, the father who begot him,
    He exulted and glowed, his heart filled with gladness. (90)

    He rendered him perfect and endowed him with a double godhead.
    Greatly exalted was he above them, exceeding throughout.
    Perfect were his members beyond comprehension,
    Unsuited for understanding, difficult to perceive.
    Four were his eyes, four were his ears;
    When he moved his lips, fire blazed forth.
    Large were all four hearing organs,
    And the eyes, in like number, scanned all things.
    He was the loftiest of the gods, surpassing was his stature;
    His members were enormous, he was exceeding tall. (100)

    "My little son, my little son!"
    My son, the Sun! Sun of the heavens!"
    Clothed with the halo of ten gods, he was strong to the utmost,
    As their awesome flashes were heaped upon him.
    Anu brought forth and begot the fourfold wind
    Consigning to its power the leader of the host.
    He fashioned . . . , stationed the whirlwind,
    He produced streams to disturb Tiamat.
    The gods, given no rest, suffer in the storm.
    Their hearts having plotted evil, (110)

    To Tiamat, their mother, said:
    "When they slew Apsu, your consort,
    You did not aid him but remained still.
    When he created the dread fourfold wind,
    Your vitals were diluted and so we can have no rest.
    Let Apsu, your consort, be in your mind
    And Mummu, who has been vanquished! You are left alone!
    . . . you pace about distraught,
    . . . without cease. You do not love us!
    . . . our eyes are pinched, (120)

    . . . without cease. Let us have rest!
    . . . to battle. Avenge them!
    . . . and render them as the wind!"
    When Tiamat heard these words, she was pleased:
    " . . . you have given. Let us make monsters,
    . . . and the gods in the midst . . . .
    . . . let us do battle and against the gods . . . !"
    They banded themselves together and marched at the side of Tiamat.
    Enraged, they plot without cease night and day,
    They are set for combat, growling, raging, (130)

    They form a council to prepare for the fight.
    Mother Hubur, she who fashions all things,
    Added matchless weapons, bore monster-serpents,
    Sharp of tooth, unsparing of fang.
    With venom for blood she has filled their bodies.
    Roaring dragons she has clothed with terror,
    Has crowned them with haloes, making them like gods,
    Whoever beheld them, terror overcame him,
    And that, with their bodies reared up, none might turn them back.
    She set up the Viper, the Dragon, and the monster Lahamu, (140)

    The Great-Lion, the Mad-Dog, and the Scorpion-Man,
    Mighty lion-demons, the Dragon-Fly, the Centaur--
    Bearing weapons that do not spare, fearless in battle.
    Her decrees were firm, they were beyond resisting.
    All together eleven of this kind she brought forth.
    From among the gods, her first-born, who formed her Assembly,
    She elevated Kingu, made him chief among them.
    The leading of the ranks, command of the Assembly,
    The raising of weapons for the encounter, advancing to combat,
    To direct the battle, to control the fight, (150)

    These she entrusted to his hand as she seated him in the Council:
    "I have cast for you the spell, exalting you in the Assembly of the gods.
    To counsel all the gods I have given you full power.
    Truly, you are supreme, you are my only consort!
    Your utterance shall prevail over all the Anunnaki!"
    She gave him the Tablet of Destinies, fastened on his breast:
    "As for you, your command shall be unchangeable, your word shall endure!"
    As soon as Kingu was elevated, possessed of the rank of Anu,
    they decreed the fate for the gods, his sons:
    "Your word shall make the first subside, (160)

    Shall humble the `Power-Weapon,' so potent in its sweep!"

    note the utter and complete non resemblance to the Biblical account, a pantheon of
    Gods, killing each other etc its now a rather hackneyed and to be honest banal
    assertion of the anti biblical protagonists to try to discredit the Biblical account with
    these intangible references to creation myths.
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    15 Jun '12 11:09
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    note the utter and complete non resemblance to the Biblical account,
    The article linked by sonhouse lists some similarities. Are you saying that they are all false, some are false, or are not significant? If there some are false can you list them?
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    Originally posted by twhitehead
    The article linked by sonhouse lists some similarities. Are you saying that they are all false, some are false, or are not significant? If there some are false can you list them?
    some similarities, like the moon is made of cheese and so is this cheddar? or
    both contain words? or both can be found on the internet, plueeeeeze, its an old and
    hackneyed attempt to discredit scripture, seen it, heard it and bought the t shirt.
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    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    some similarities, like the moon is made of cheese and so is this cheddar? or
    both contain words? or both can be found on the internet, plueeeeeze, its an old and
    hackneyed attempt to discredit scripture, seen it, heard it and bought the t shirt.
    In response to sonhouse's link which claims some similarities you claimed a 'utter and complete non resemblance to the Biblical account'. So I am merely asking for clarification as to whether you are arguing that the article sonhouse linked is inaccurate in its listing of similarities or whether you find the similarities insignificant. I think your answer here is the latter, but I am not certain. Can you clarify?

    [edit]Also is this what your other genesis thread is all about? ie if the 10 similarities you list in the genesis thread are shown to not be evidence that the writer knew of the original story (science) then you can claim here that the writter of genesis did not necessarily know of the sumerian account despite 10 similarities.
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