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Originally posted by rwingettgulp, i can hear the cannons being loaded 🙂
What I said didn't hold water. I need to reformulate it. I'm consulting with my posse of Liberation Theologists now.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI really enjoy this passage, and the other references to Mary and Martha. I find those two women facinating, especially how they foils of each other. Both Mary and Martha are devoted to Christ, yet they express it in very different ways.
i do not deny this Deucer, indeed I cannot remember why i cited the passage, or the train of thought that was in my mind at the time. You speak truth!
However it is evident from scripture that Christ was essentially a teacher, first and foremost with all these others aspects taking a secondary place to his role as a teacher!
Originally posted by Rajk999The judgment in Matthew 25 is a specific judgment and should not be confused with the last judgment.
The most significant way to remember Christ is stated in Matt 25. I say its the most significant becuase its the one way which determines whether you get salvation or not. People remember Christ in many ways, - by thinking, by praying, by communion and by reading the Bible. Not many remember Christ in the way He asked us and in the way that leads to salvatio ...[text shortened]... d these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. [/quote]
Originally posted by duecerYes they are wonderful passages, great humanity, Christs tears, the difference in characters . What do you think the lesson we can infer from the differences between Mary and Martha are, if any?
I really enjoy this passage, and the other references to Mary and Martha. I find those two women facinating, especially how they foils of each other. Both Mary and Martha are devoted to Christ, yet they express it in very different ways.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieMartha was as deeply faithful as Mary. When Martha heard that Jesus was coming, she ran out to meet him and bring himto the tomb of Lazarus, meanwhile Mary stayed at home. They are different personalities, Christ values them both. Mary wants to listen and learn; and is predisposed to extravagant gestures, Martha seems wise and hard working. Jesus makes clear that Mary has a right to choose the way in which she serves, and that Martha can chose (and has already chosen) as well.
Yes they are wonderful passages, great humanity, Christs tears, the difference in characters . What do you think the lesson we can infer from the differences between Mary and Martha are, if any?
Originally posted by duecerrather interestingly Christ stated that on another occasion Mary had chosen 'the better portion'.
Martha was as deeply faithful as Mary. When Martha heard that Jesus was coming, she ran out to meet him and bring himto the tomb of Lazarus, meanwhile Mary stayed at home. They are different personalities, Christ values them both. Mary wants to listen and learn; and is predisposed to extravagant gestures, Martha seems wise and hard working. Jesus makes clear ...[text shortened]... choose the way in which she serves, and that Martha can chose (and has already chosen) as well.
Originally posted by jaywillRegardless, its the Judgment Christ is going to carry out at his second coming. Wont you say that the details of the judgment expressed in Matt 25 should be of concern to all of us ?
The judgment in Matthew 25 is a specific judgment and should not be confused with the last judgment.
This judgment in Matthew 25 is of living nations or living Gentiles who remain on the earth at the end of the time of the great tribulation.
These nations did not know who Christ was. They Are judged according to how they treated a third group of peo ...[text shortened]... mportant now and even more during the last years of this age before the millennial kingdom.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIts not the better of two functions, but the better choice for Mary, because she followed her heart. Christ was making it plain to Martha that it wasn't for her to decide how Mary would express herself spirtually. notice he didn't tell Martha to stop scrubbing pots and sit down did he? For Martha, serving others was serving Christ.
rather interestingly Christ stated that on another occasion Mary had chosen 'the better portion'.
(Luke 10:38-42) . . .Now as they were going their way he entered into a certain village. Here a certain woman named Martha received him as guest into the house. This woman also had a sister called Mary, who, however, sat down at the feet of the Lord ...[text shortened]... just one. For her part, Mary chose the good portion, and it will not be taken away from her.”
Originally posted by Rajk999Yes. All Scripture is profitable for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness that the man of God may be fully equiped for every good work.
Regardless, its the Judgment Christ is going to carry out at his second coming. Wont you say that the details of the judgment expressed in Matt 25 should be of concern to all of us ?
Originally posted by Rajk999Faith and Works
I agree and would go so far as to say that its the substance of what both Christ and Paul taught. You can have all the faith in the world and have all the gifts of prophecy (like the Jws 😀) or all the knowledge, but if you dont demonstrate love and charity to your neighbour, you are nothing.
1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of ...[text shortened]... nd now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
Originally posted by Rajk999then again its up to the individual to enter not the church
There are some churhes that preach that the works referred to by Christ in Matt 25 are just 'filthy rags'. So the churches themselves have become teachers of doctrines which lead the innocent people astray.
Originally posted by jaywillThere is only one positive end result of all spiritual activity, and that is to acheive salvation. Any other outcome means you have failed, and you are just chaff blowing in the wind. Its critical therefore to pay close attention to the words of Christ as to how his going to judge. All scripture cannot be as important as the words of Christ.
Yes. All Scripture is profitable for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness that the man of God may be fully equiped for every good work.
Originally posted by Rajk999It is also important to ascertain -
There is only one positive end result of all spiritual activity, and that is to acheive salvation. Any other outcome means you have failed, and you are just chaff blowing in the wind. Its critical therefore to pay close attention to the words of Christ as to how his going to judge. All scripture cannot be as important as the words of Christ.