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    http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/11/arizona.funeral.westboro/index.html?hpt=T1

    It's bad enough this little girl, born on 9-11-2001 was killed by a nutter, now because she is catholic, the funeral is to be picketed by yet another.
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    Originally posted by sonhouse
    http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/11/arizona.funeral.westboro/index.html?hpt=T1

    It's bad enough this little girl, born on 9-11-2001 was killed by a nutter, now because she is catholic, the funeral is to be picketed by yet another.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church
    "It is headed by Fred Phelps and consists mostly of members of his large family"
    why do you think it is relevant what a lone nutjob does? do you consider the actions of 20 or so people are representative of a bigger group, say christians? do you just randomly post hate and if so, are we to expect you posting each day a gruesome crime from somewhere?

    by these questions i don't want to pick a fight, i am simply asking the definitive point you are trying to make with this thread.


    you should read the link in my thread "atheist and believers".
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    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church
    "It is headed by Fred Phelps and consists mostly of members of his large family"
    why do you think it is relevant what a lone nutjob does? do you consider the actions of 20 or so people are representative of a bigger group, say christians? do you just randomly post hate and if so, are we to expect you po make with this thread.


    you should read the link in my thread "atheist and believers".
    I did and responded. I am pointing out this group of nutters should not be allowed to interfere with the funeral of a little girl BECAUSE she is catholic. They go around saying 'God hats Fags', God Hates Catholics and the like. A nutter hate group who shouldn't even be allowed to call themselves christian. They recently picketed a funeral of a young gay man beaten to death by another hate group, the family could not even mourn in peace. You think this should be allowed?

    Its bad enough for a hate group to kill because the guy is gay, but why not let the family mourn their hate victim in peace?

    I can tell you this: if MY son were gay and killed by a hate group and these nutters came on the scene at the funeral, I would consider a bit of hate killing myself.
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    11 Jan '11 14:51
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    I did and responded. I am pointing out this group of nutters should not be allowed to interfere with the funeral of a little girl BECAUSE she is catholic. They go around saying 'God hats Fags', God Hates Catholics and the like. A nutter hate group who shouldn't even be allowed to call themselves christian. They recently picketed a funeral of a young gay man ...[text shortened]... to kill because the guy is gay, but why not let the family mourn their hate victim in peace?
    Doesn't the first amendment give them the right to?

    I don't come even close to disagreeing with you that they are dispicable and horrible people.

    I don't remember their name, but there was a group of bikers that would go around and peacefully just stand in front of these people so those who are attending the funeral don't have to see them.

    These people are trying to get attention by targetting this funeral. If you give them a reason for a court fight (one that they very well could win) then you're feeding the beast.
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    Whatever this group labels itself it's disgraceful. If they came to one of my relatives funerals they would get handed out a beat down!! (I know two wrongs don't make a right)



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    11 Jan '11 15:21
    Originally posted by PsychoPawn
    Doesn't the first amendment give them the right to?

    I don't come even close to disagreeing with you that they are dispicable and horrible people.

    I don't remember their name, but there was a group of bikers that would go around and peacefully just stand in front of these people so those who are attending the funeral don't have to see them.

    The ...[text shortened]... reason for a court fight (one that they very well could win) then you're feeding the beast.
    Sure they have a right to but that goes way beyond showing respect and decency to scratch the surface. There is a right and wrong place to say what you think and this is about as wrong as you can get.
    Such a sad thing for all the victims and their families.


    Revelation 21:4 (Darby Translation)

    4 And he shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shall not exist any more, nor grief, nor cry, nor distress shall exist any more, for the former things have passed away.
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    11 Jan '11 15:23
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Sure they have a right to but that goes way beyond showing respect and decency to scratch the surface. There is a right and wrong place to say what you think and this is about as wrong as you can get.
    Such a sad thing for all the victims and their families.


    Revelation 21:4 (Darby Translation)

    4 And he shall wipe away every tear from their eye ...[text shortened]... , nor grief, nor cry, nor distress shall exist any more, for the former things have passed away.
    I don't disagree with you at all and I didn't say anything that contradicts your post.

    The problem is that the government can't come in and prevent them from demonstrating.
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    11 Jan '11 15:23
    Originally posted by PsychoPawn
    Doesn't the first amendment give them the right to?

    I don't come even close to disagreeing with you that they are dispicable and horrible people.

    I don't remember their name, but there was a group of bikers that would go around and peacefully just stand in front of these people so those who are attending the funeral don't have to see them.

    The ...[text shortened]... reason for a court fight (one that they very well could win) then you're feeding the beast.
    So it's ok for nutters to go around like that but its not ok to show emotions about them? I said I could CONSIDER a hate killing, that is not the same thing as actual killing.

    Free speech proponents never considered the kind of nut job cases these individuals represent. It seems to me that kind of activity should be considered in the same light as falsely yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater.
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    11 Jan '11 15:26
    The UK Christian Voice isn't pleasant.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Voice_(UK)
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    11 Jan '11 15:32
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    So it's ok for nutters to go around like that but its not ok to show emotions about them? I said I could CONSIDER a hate killing, that is not the same thing as actual killing.

    Free speech proponents never considered the kind of nut job cases these individuals represent. It seems to me that kind of activity should be considered in the same light as falsely yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater.
    So it's ok for nutters to go around like that but its not ok to show emotions about them?

    I never said that.

    Free speech proponents never considered the kind of nut job cases these individuals represent.

    So because they didn't consider these kinds of nut jobs then they don't have their rights?

    The first amendment is there to protect speech that is unpopular, not to protect speech that is popular.

    It seems to me that kind of activity should be considered in the same light as falsely yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater

    Well, the courts have disagreed with you before and I'm sure they will again. They have gone to court to contest bans on their protests and have won.
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    11 Jan '11 15:36
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/11/arizona.funeral.westboro/index.html?hpt=T1

    It's bad enough this little girl, born on 9-11-2001 was killed by a nutter, now because she is catholic, the funeral is to be picketed by yet another.
    They make me sick!
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    11 Jan '11 16:02
    Originally posted by PsychoPawn
    I don't disagree with you at all and I didn't say anything that contradicts your post.

    The problem is that the government can't come in and prevent them from demonstrating.
    Oh I know you didn't. I wasn't saying that... 🙂
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    11 Jan '11 16:03
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Oh I know you didn't. I wasn't saying that... 🙂
    Ok then! We agree! Somehow it feels weird seeing agreement in the spirituality forum 😛
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    11 Jan '11 16:211 edit
    Originally posted by PsychoPawn
    I don't disagree with you at all and I didn't say anything that contradicts your post.

    The problem is that the government can't come in and prevent them from demonstrating.
    This is downright harassment in my book and people who do this should be liable to pay compensation to the aggrieved family.

    Sometimes America seems so foreign to me. Why on earth would anyone equate free speech with people willingly disturbing a funeral?

    I don't get it.
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    11 Jan '11 16:28
    Originally posted by PsychoPawn
    Ok then! We agree! Somehow it feels weird seeing agreement in the spirituality forum 😛
    Well we're all humans and we all hate things that are wrong and we all feel sadness when people are hurt.... There's a lot more we agree on then not.
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