marriage ceremonies are usually held with the intention of inviting friends and family to celebrate the spiritual and emotional bond that the two people already have. In it they restate for the community gathered what they have already promised each other in their hearts. that's where marriage truly happens...in the "heart"; its about the commitment not about the ceremony.
Originally posted by duecerConsummation irrelevant (according to Scripture)?
marriage ceremonies are usually held with the intention of inviting friends and family to celebrate the spiritual and emotional bond that the two people already have. In it they restate for the community gathered what they have already promised each other in their hearts. that's where marriage truly happens...in the "heart"; its about the commitment not about the ceremony.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneFunny, I asked you the same thing in your rant over here...
Same thing with gluttony. Evidently all the teaching that Jesus did against hypocrisy was meaningless to them.
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHWhat "same thing"?
Funny, I asked you the same thing in your rant over here...
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Originally posted by Grampy Bobbyin ancient Israel the wedding ceremony consisted of putting your cloak around your spouse and taking them to bed. Once intercourse happened, the marriage was complete. It was not the elaborate ceremony we see today, but rather a mutual acknowledgement and agreed upon marriage by the two families (many were pre-arranged)
Consummation irrelevant (according to Scripture)?
the actual act of marriage was the betrothal contract between the groom and the brides father. Once the deal was truck, they we officially considered married
Originally posted by duecerAnd in the NT (applicable today)?
in ancient Israel the wedding ceremony consisted of putting your cloak around your spouse and taking them to bed. Once intercourse happened, the marriage was complete. It was not the elaborate ceremony we see today, but rather a mutual acknowledgement and agreed upon marriage by the two families (many were pre-arranged)
the actual act of marriage was the b ...[text shortened]... the groom and the brides father. Once the deal was truck, they we officially considered married
Originally posted by AThousandYoungAt least some of this has to do with the so-called "Prosperity Gospel" currently fashionable among some very influential and politically connected evangelical mega-churches. But it would be a shame to paint all evangelicals, or, more, all Christians, with this brush. That the really radical message of the NT has been commodified and packaged for folks already influenced by a materialistic culture doesn't reflect poorly on Christianity, but on us generally.
How come so many Christians lash out at homosexuals while ignoring greed? Some of the greediest people I've met were members of the Religious Right.
Originally posted by karoly aczelNo I can honestly say I have no desire or thoughts to be with a man and I actually find nothing about it appealing. And because of that I think I handle my sexuality just fine.
Seeing other' sins is easier than seeing their own.
Other than that, there is some deep psycological repulsion towards homosexuality, possibly because, deep down, everyone shares similar thoughts about sexuality.
The gays can just handle it better in general.
I bet they dont think its as bad to have sex out of wedlock than to be gay.
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Originally posted by bbarrI don't see a "broad brush" here. I think his point was the hypocrisy that many Christians have of "lash[ing] out" at the "sin" of homosexuality while turning a blind eye towards other sins such as greed, gluttony, etc. in themselves or others.
At least some of this has to do with the so-called "Prosperity Gospel" currently fashionable among some very influential and politically connected evangelical mega-churches. But it would be a shame to paint all evangelicals, or, more, all Christians, with this brush. That the really radical message of the NT has been commodified and packaged for folks alread ...[text shortened]... enced by a materialistic culture doesn't reflect poorly on Christianity, but on us generally.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungI think a little qualification is warranted here. Which Christians 'lash' out? Which are actually greedy? Let's not turn anecdotal observations into generalisations.
How come so many Christians lash out at homosexuals while ignoring greed? Some of the greediest people I've met were members of the Religious Right.
As for your question, not all sins are perceived equally. In the Catholic Church, for example, there is a major division of sins between venial and mortal. Mortal sins concern grave matters whereas venial sins are generally inconsequential. There is also a distinction between contingent and intrinsic evils, contingent when the matter may sometimes be justified; intrinsic when it never can be. So for Catholics at least, there is no hypocrisy in addressing one sin over another. Homosexuality, as the Church perceives it, is an intrinsic evil of mortal kind, whereas the possession of wealth is morally neutral.
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Originally posted by Conrau KJust because an organization has chosen to formalize their hypocrisy doesn't make it any less so.
I think a little qualification is warranted here. Which Christians 'lash' out? Which are actually greedy? Let's not turn anecdotal observations into generalisations.
As for your question, not all sins are perceived equally. In the Catholic Church, for example, there is a major division of sins between venial and mortal. Mortal sins concern grave matters ...[text shortened]... it, is an intrinsic evil of mortal kind, whereas the possession of wealth is morally neutral.