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Originally posted by FMFThe 'brainwashing' at the time did not cause me any 'psychological abuse that I was aware of, I am not saying brainwashing is good.
Why isn't brainwashing of children "harm" in and of itself? I thought you claimed to be a teacher - an educator of children?
Originally posted by dj2beckerI am not talking about that web site, as you well know. You confessed to consulting a web site to check the details of what living in a cult is like
I personally know all the people whose testimonies are on the website, that is the only reason why I referenced it.
Originally posted by dj2beckerWhat lasting ill effects you may or may not have suffered is a red herring. [See your dodge about sexual abuse.] Brainwashing children is psychological abuse. Aren't you a teacher? Don't you have responsibility for children?
The 'brainwashing' at the time did not cause me any 'psychological abuse that I was aware of, I am not saying brainwashing is good.
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Originally posted by FMFNo the website I referenced was the one that referenced the characteristics of a cult. When I read the characteristics I noticed that most of them described the situation I grew up in and thus I was able to see the place for what it was.
You consulted a web site in order to check details of what living in a cult is like. You admitted to it.
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Originally posted by FMFI never denied that, there were many people that suffered abuse there, I even experienced some unpleasantries but because I followed all the rules without question for many years I wouldn't classify my experience as psychological abuse. The people who actually follow the rules are treated very well.
And yet you STILL deny that you lived in, and grew up in, an environment of sustained and systematic psychological abuse?
Originally posted by dj2beckerSo when you left the cult, it wasn't because it was a cult, or because of all the cult like psychological abuse that was going on, and you didn't realize it was a cult that you were leaving, and when you entered the free world you didn't realize you had been living in a cult, you had to check it on the internet before posting your account?. You only realized it when, a decade later, you talked about it on this web site?
No the website I referenced was the one that referenced the characteristics of a cult. When I read the characteristics I noticed that most of them described the situation I grew up in and thus I was able to see the place for what it was.
Originally posted by dj2beckerYou 'following the rules' does not mean that you weren't living in a psychologically abusive environment. It's as if you have no idea what you are talking about.
I never denied that, there were many people that suffered abuse there, I even experienced some unpleasantries but because I followed all the rules without question for many years I wouldn't classify my experience as psychological abuse. The people who actually follow the rules are treated very well.
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Originally posted by FMFOf course it is but I followed all the rules and was never treated in such a way. I am talking about my own personal experience of course there were others who were psychologically abused. Whenever someone would leave we were told that they 'fell into sin' and we should have nothing to do with them. Only later when I read their accounts online did I realise what actually happened.
A child being threatened with ostracization, treated like a leper, expelled from his family, thrown out of the community, deprived of normal things for their intellectual and interpersonal development, [b] is psychological abuse.
Again, haven't you claimed to be an educator of children?[/b]
Originally posted by dj2beckerOriginally posted by FMF
Of course it is but I followed all the rules and was never treated in such a way. I am talking about my own personal experience of course there were others who were psychologically abused. Whenever someone would leave we were told that they 'fell into sin' and we should have nothing to do with them. Only later when I read their accounts online did I realise what actually happened.
A child being threatened with ostracization, treated like a leper, expelled from his family, thrown out of the community, deprived of normal things for their intellectual and interpersonal development, is psychological abuse.
Originally posted by dj2becker
Of course it is but I followed all the rules and was never treated in such a way.
Such threats against children are psychological abuse
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Originally posted by FMFIt depends on how you define abuse. Would you say you suffered psychological abuse as a child when you were brainwashed into believing the tooth fairy existed?
What lasting ill effects you may or may not have suffered is a red herring. [See your dodge about sexual abuse.] [b]Brainwashing children is psychological abuse. Aren't you a teacher? Don't you have responsibility for children?[/b]
Originally posted by dj2beckerYou were too. Following rules and therefore not having threatened punishments carried out on you does not mean you were not psychologically abused. What you have described is textbook psychological abuse and deprivation. The punishments threatened, in and of themselves, are not what makes it so. It's the threat of them, and the brainwashing, and the deprivation, and so and so forth (see YOUR link for more details of the psychologically abusive regime under which you grew up.
I am talking about my own personal experience of course there were others who were psychologically abused.
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Originally posted by FMFIt all depends on how you define abuse. If you want to believe I was abused that's fine with me.
Originally posted by FMF
A child being threatened with ostracization, treated like a leper, expelled from his family, thrown out of the community, deprived of normal things for their intellectual and interpersonal development, [b] is psychological abuse.
Originally posted by dj2becker
Of course it is but I followed all the rules and was never treated in such a way.
Such threats against children are psychological abuse[/b]