Christians/Muslims

Originally posted by dj2becker
I was merely pointing out that since you are sceptical of the Bible which I believe to be the truth it is no wonder that you are sceptical of my story which I know to be the truth. So ok I believe every word in the Bible is the truth and every word of my story is the truth so your scepticism doesn't bother me in the least.

What is your story exactly?
why not just come out and tell us what happened?
People start thinking all sorts of things if you don't cop to some level of transparency

Originally posted by karoly aczel
What is your story exactly?
why not just come out and tell us what happened?
People start thinking all sorts of things if you don't cop to some level of transparency

This is something I shared about myself a while back, every word of it is true. Some people here don't believe me. If you have any questions you want to ask me about it feel free:

"I grew up in a legalistic 'Christian cult' where I was indoctrinated from a young age to believe that the teachings of my church was true and that all other churches that didn't believe exactly what we believed were lost. I was indoctrinated to follow laws that weren't even in the Bible. I was not allowed to talk to the opposite sex, watch tv, listen to non Christian music etc, and believed that I needed to confess every bad thought that I had to a counsellor in the church who would pray with me for God to forgive me. Women in our church were not allowed to wear trousers or jewelry, and you weren't allowed to be romantically involved with the person you wanted to marry. You had to marry someone from the same church. You had to 'hear from God' who the person was that you were going to marry and you weren't even allowed to talk to them before you got married. Anyone who questioned the rules of this church were excommunicated and everyone in the church believed they were going to hell and shunned them like lepers. I was born into the church and for 24 years I believed that everything they taught was the absolute truth. Parents would disown their children if they decided to leave. "

Originally posted by dj2becker
This is something I shared about myself a while back, every word of it is true. Some people here don't believe me. If you have any questions you want to ask me about it feel free

I don't believe your story - not because of the claims you made about yourself in it - but because of the answers you gave - and your behaviour generally - when you were asked questions about it.

Originally posted by FMF
I don't believe your story - not because of the claims you made about yourself in it - but because of the answers you gave - and your behaviour generally - when you were asked questions about it.

I have answered questions more freely about my past than you have about yours. Unlike you I haven't dodged any questions. If you don't believe me that's fine with me. As I said before truth is not dependent on what you decide is credible. Even if I didn't believe some of the things that you said about your past that wouldn't mean that they aren't true and you would be in the best position to know whether or not the things you did claim about yourself were true or not.

Originally posted by dj2becker
I have answered questions more freely about my past than you have about yours. Unlike you I haven't dodged any questions. If you don't believe me that's fine with me. As I said before truth is not dependent on what you decide is credible. Even if I didn't believe some of the things that you said about your past that wouldn't mean that they aren't true and ...[text shortened]... e best position to know whether or not the things you did claim about yourself were true or not.

When you answered questions about your supposed life-in-a-cult, it made it sound like you'd simply made it up and that you had got ideas for what to say ~ in making the claim ~ from a web site.

Originally posted by FMF
When you answered questions about your supposed life-in-a-cult, it made it sound like you'd simply made it up and that you had got ideas for what to say ~ in making the claim ~ from a web site.

To you it may have sounded like I made it up, that doesn't mean I did. How do you think it should have sounded like it I hadn't made it up? 🙄 If I were to claim that your story sounds made up would that mean it really was made up? Of course not. Who do you think is in a better position to judge whether or not my story was made up? You or me?

Originally posted by dj2becker
Who do you think is in a better position to judge whether or not my story was made up? You or me?

I am the only person on earth who can judge whether I think you are clearly making up stuff about yourself. No one else can do it.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Unlike you I haven't dodged any questions.

Yes, there was three key questions about the psychological abuse you suffered that you dodged repeatedly on this thread.

[1] One was words to the effect of 'if a victim of sexual abuse shows no ill effects decades later, does that mean they weren't sexually abused?' That question went to the very heart of your claim that there was no psychological abuse because you claim you were unaffected by it. So it's clear why you dodged that question. And then...

[2] I asked you words to the effect of 'isn't brainwashing children a bad thing?' You dodged it presumably because it was a detail you had inserted or mentioned that had become inconvenient to the way you were trying to downplay the psychological abuse aspect. And then...

[3] I quoted you: "Anyone who questioned the rules of this church were excommunicated and everyone in the church believed they were going to hell and shunned them like lepers. I was born into the church and for 24 years I believed that everything they taught was the absolute truth. Parents would disown their children if they decided to leave." And I asked you repeatedly about it but you just blanked it out. Here is the question you dodged:

Excommunication. Going to hell. Being shunned like lepers. Being disowned by your parents. At what age were you made aware that these kinds of psychological threats were hanging over you?

Originally posted by FMF
I am the only person on earth who can judge whether I think you are clearly making up stuff about yourself. No one else can do it.

Indeed, but what you think certainly has no bearing on whether I am in reality telling the truth or not.

Originally posted by divegeester to dj2becker
I found the website you copy/pasted from, called you on using it and you attempted to excuse yourself for using unreferenced matierial by saying it described your experience in the cult very well.

Those were different occasions. I have caught him plagiarizing 2-3 times too. But on this occasion he simply confessed to consulting a web site to check the details of what cults are like. You are conflating it with one of the times he has been copy pasting someone else's words.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Indeed, but what you think certainly has no bearing on whether I am in reality telling the truth or not.

Translation: you are sticking steadfastly to your story even after making a somersaulting, wriggling fool of yourself for 16 thread pages.

Originally posted by dj2becker
To you it may have sounded like I made it up, that doesn't mean I did. How do you think it should have sounded like it I hadn't made it up?

I have met and known cult survivors. You strike me as a fraud who got his ideas about what cults are like from a web site. If you had bothered to read the link you gave you would have realized how much psychological abuse went on in the cult you claim you were a member of. It seems you didn't bother to read it.