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Originally posted by dj2becker
There were consequences and a core group of people knew about it but kept it under raps. The paragraph I wrote was based upon the information I got from my dad who was a part of the core group and the coroborating testimonies.

But chilling rumours circulated, right? And childhood/teenage friends disappeared, not always for clear reasons. The threats were implicit. As you yourself said "everyone in the church" believed they were going to be shunned like lepers if they put a foot wrong. You've said you were obliged to shun people too. If you factor in the brainwashing and the developmental deprivation that you detailed, the whole thing was clearly psychological abuse.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Everyone who followed the rules knew exactly where they stood and had nothing to fear.

And isn't that the exact point of the explicit and implicit threats of psychological cruelty that the cult leaders imposed?

Originally posted by dj2becker
The paragraph I wrote was based upon the information I got from my dad who was a part of the core group and the coroborating testimonies.

By "the paragraph I wrote", you mean your 220 words?

So you're now saying that the 220 words you have been passing off as your personal experience is in fact information you got from someone else?

Originally posted by FMF
But chilling rumours circulated, right? And childhood/teenage friends disappeared, not always for clear reasons. The threats were implicit. As you yourself said "everyone in the church" believed they were going to be shunned like lepers if they put a foot wrong. You've said you were obliged to shun people too. If you factor in the brainwashing and the developmental deprivation that you detailed, the whole thing was clearly psychological abuse.

Ok if you decide it's psychological abuse that's fine with me. You are entitled to your opinion.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Ok if you decide it's psychological abuse that's fine with me.

Fact or fiction, I think you are clearly not in a position or not intellectually/emotionally able to see and understand the significance of all the things you have been saying and describing. And even with this bizarre change of tack and attempted change of content today after your disastrous day yesterday ~ which has made me even more certain than I was previously that you are merely spinning a yarn ~ you still seem absolutely clueless about the ramifications and issues surrounding what you have been claiming.

Originally posted by KellyJay
You are right, I am completely wrong! I mixed this conversation with another we were both in, I treated you badly I am sorry!

No worries dude. 🙂

Originally posted by dj2becker
Ok if you decide it's psychological abuse that's fine with me. You are entitled to your opinion.

I think the first step is for you to understand that what you experienced in the cult was not simply indoctrination, but brain washing. (There 'is' a difference). The next step is to understand that 'brain washing' is a form of psychological abuse.

"Brainwashing is defined in the Psychology Dictionary as that which “manipulates and modifies a person’s emotions, attitudes, and beliefs.” It reduces a person’s ability to mentally defend themselves and makes it easier for another person to control them."

psychologydictionary.org/

Originally posted by FMF
Fact or fiction, I think you are clearly not in a position or not intellectually/emotionally able to see and understand the significance of all the things you have been saying and describing. And even with this bizarre change of tack and attempted change of content today after your disastrous day yesterday ~ which has made me even more certain than I was previou ...[text shortened]... absolutely clueless about the ramifications and issues surrounding what you have been claiming.

What change of tack and or content are you referring to? The paragraph was merely a general description. There's no way I can fully explain 24 years in 220 words.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
I think the first step is for you to understand that what you experienced in the cult was not simply indoctrination, but brain washing. (There 'is' a difference). The next step is to understand that 'brain washing' is a form of psychological abuse.

"Brainwashing is defined in the Psychology Dictionary as that which “manipulates and modifies a per ...[text shortened]... hemselves and makes it easier for another person to control them."

psychologydictionary.org/

Ok and then what is the next step?

Originally posted by dj2becker
What change of tack and or content are you referring to?

The one that anyone can see for themselves.

Originally posted by FMF
The one that anyone can see for themselves.

Do you think that when you claim to speak for everyone that somehow adds credibility to your post?

Originally posted by dj2becker
Do you think that when you claim to speak for everyone that somehow adds credibility to your post?

I don’t claim to speak for anyone except myself. The change of tack and content I mentioned is one I think anyone can see for themselves.

Originally posted by FMF
I don’t claim to speak for anyone except myself. The change of tack and content I mentioned is one I think anyone can see for themselves.

Ah right the change of content that you think everyone can see but just coincidentally aren't able to point out.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Ah right the change of content that you think everyone can see but just coincidentally aren't able to point out.

What makes you think I am not able to point it out? I have been pointing it out constantly over the last few thread pages. If there are people who think that you are telling the same story today as you were telling yesterday, then so be it.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Do you think that when you claim to speak for everyone that somehow adds credibility to your post?

That's a bit rich coming from somebody who actually claimed to speak for others against somebody who never has.