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I have a few questions for those who have the guts to claim to be Atheists.
1.) Is the "Lack Of Belief in God" retained in Agnosticism?
When an Atheist who lacks belief in God or gods, decides that there MAY BE or COULD BE or PERHAPS but can't prove God or gods.
does that Atheist lose his lack of belief in God or gods?
2.) Is the Agnostic's attitude - "I don't know but maybe there's God or gods" LOST in Atheism in exchange of uncertainty?
When an Agnostic decides to become an Atheist is the sense of "Well, maybe but I don't know if there is a God" superseded, traded in, or exhanged for a total "Lack of belief in God or gods" ?
3.) Can an Agnostic Atheist have simultaneously a total lack of belief in God or gods and a partial lack of belief in God or gods?
Clarify Agnostic Atheism
"Agnostic atheism is a philosophical position that encompasses both atheism and agnosticism. Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not hold a belief in the existence of any deity and agnostic because they claim that the existence of a deity is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact. The agnostic atheist may be contrasted with the agnostic theist, who believes that one or more deities exist but claims that the existence or nonexistence of such is unknown or cannot be known." ~ Wiki
@sonship saidSomeone who is an agnostic atheist is ATHEISTIC because he does not hold a belief in the existence of any deity ~ this is "implicit atheism" rather than "explicit atheism" ~ and that person is AGNOSTIC because he claims that the existence of a deity is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact. The way you are using the words "total" and "partial" just makes you sound kind of facetious and het-up.
3.) Can an Agnostic Atheist have simultaneously a total lack of belief in God or gods and a partial lack of belief in God or gods?
@lemondrop saidWhat are the "balls" that you think "an atheist" has?
an agnostic is an atheist without balls
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Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not hold a belief in the existence of any deity and agnostic because they claim that the existence of a deity is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact.
So they make a truth claim that -
1.) God is unknowable in principle
2.) God is not currently known.
That implies that God MAY be known in the future by someone/s. Therefore they possess a belief in the possibility of God being known.
is an Agonostic Atheist deceiving himself by thinking he can be possess a belief that a God may be known sometime future to "currently" AND possess a total lack of belief in the possible then existence of God?
Why would "God is not currently known" be an issue at all if he is certain that there is no such God ?
ie. "I don't believe in the lost continent of Atlantis. The lost continent of Atlantis up to the current time has not been found."
Are you leaving a side door open that it MAY be found sometime?
@sonship saidIf someone comes along who has "a total lack of belief in the possible existence of God" you should ask him if he is "deceiving himself".
is an Agonostic Atheist deceiving himself by thinking he can be possess a belief that a God may be known sometime future to "currently" AND possess a total lack of belief in the possible then existence of God?
Why would "God is not currently known" be an issue at all if he is certain that there is no such God ?
ie. "I don't believe in the lost continent of Atl ...[text shortened]... e has not been found."
Are you leaving a side door open that it MAY be found sometime?
Having said that, if someone comes along who believes that the existence of God is not possible, then they are going to be an "explicit atheist" and not an "agnostic atheist".
@lemondrop saidLacking belief in God and believing there is no God are different positions. Am I showing "balls" by pointing this out to you?
the cajones to take a position and not be wishy washy
@sonship saidI'd describe them as subjective personal opinions resulting from speculation about matters that are more or less immune to empirical scrutiny.
@FMF
Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not hold a belief in the existence of any deity and agnostic because they claim that the existence of a deity is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact.
So they make a truth claim that -
1.) God is unknowable in principle
2.) God is not currently known.
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I'd describe them as subjective personal opinions resulting from speculation about matters that are more or less immune to empirical scrutiny.
If God is is a "personal opinion resulting from speculation that are more or less immune to empirical scrutiny" then you leave open the possibility that God does exist. It is just not worth your time to discuss it.
So then you are an agnostic and possess a belief that MAYBE Someone "more or less immune to empirical scrutiny" could exist.
Agnosticism.
@sonship saidWhat I said was, the view that "God is not currently known" is a personal opinion resulting from speculation that is more or less immune to empirical scrutiny rather than a "truth claim". You - for example can make "truth claims" about the God figure you worship as much and as insistently as you want - but, to me, they will be your subjective views.
If God is is a "personal opinion resulting from speculation that are more or less immune to empirical scrutiny" then you leave open the possibility that God does exist.
Furthermore, you seem to be deliberately ignoring, for some presumably disingenuous reason ~ a la Fetchmyjunk/dj2becker ~ what was discussed regarding this topic only a few days ago.