27 Mar 13
The Church of England has commissioned a poll which, it says, suggests that "80% of adults believe in the power of prayer"
http://www.churchofengland.org/media-centre/news/2013/03/four-out-of-five-believe-in-the-power-of-prayer.aspx
So presumably, they asked the participants whether they believed in the power of prayer. No? No. They asked this: "Irrespective of whether you currently pray or not, if you were to pray for something at the moment, what would it be for?"
Is this maybe a hypocritical attempt by the C of E to raise their profile in the run up to Easter?
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Originally posted by PenguinUnbelievable!
The Church of England has commissioned a poll which, it says, suggests that "80% of adults believe in the power of prayer"
http://www.churchofengland.org/media-centre/news/2013/03/four-out-of-five-believe-in-the-power-of-prayer.aspx
So presumably, they asked the participants whether they believed in the power of prayer. No? No. They asked this: "Irr ...[text shortened]... e run up to Easter?
The Church of England. Lying for Jesus since 1534.
--- Penguin.
It should be
80% of adults chose a prepared option when asked "Irrespective of whether
you currently pray or not, if you were to pray for something at the moment,
what would it be for?"
I think its pretty damning that 20% had nothing to do with their little game!
I have a question for Church leaders:
Irrespective of whether you currently have sexual relations with children or
not, if you were to have sex with a child, what gender would it be?
Originally posted by Penguin[/i]Maybe a more poignant observation would include the gullibility of people in general.
The Church of England has commissioned a poll which, it says, suggests that "80% of adults believe in the power of prayer"
http://www.churchofengland.org/media-centre/news/2013/03/four-out-of-five-believe-in-the-power-of-prayer.aspx
So presumably, they asked the participants whether they believed in the power of prayer. No? No. They asked this: "Irr the run up to Easter?
The Church of England. Lying for Jesus since 1534.
--- Penguin.
According to the data, the more people who believe in x, the more likely more people will believe in x.
28 Mar 13
Originally posted by stokerThe lie is that the answer to the question is not what their propaganda message said it was. Read through the OP again and you'll get it.
lieing?? if they asked a question and people answered in truth, how come thats a lie?. you may question its validity as to who they asked, i for one was not, but stop your own bias.
29 Mar 13
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Originally posted by twhiteheadIf you follow the link in the OP, there is a link in the press release that goes to a pdf of the actual results.
I am seriously wondering what the other 20% answered.
It was a combination of 'i would never pray for anything' and 'don't know'
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29 Mar 13
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Originally posted by Penguin"lying" is a bit harsh, I'd say.
The Church of England has commissioned a poll which, it says, suggests that "80% of adults believe in the power of prayer"
http://www.churchofengland.org/media-centre/news/2013/03/four-out-of-five-believe-in-the-power-of-prayer.aspx
So presumably, they asked the participants whether they believed in the power of prayer. No? No. They asked this: "Irr the run up to Easter?
The Church of England. Lying for Jesus since 1534.
--- Penguin.
I'd call it "spin".
31 Mar 13
Originally posted by SuzianneIt may be harsh, but I also believe it to be perfectly fair. They say they have evidence of something that they do not, and they are well aware that their conclusions are not supported.
"lying" is a bit harsh, I'd say.
I'd call it "spin".
They are simply lying.
Penguin.
31 Mar 13
Originally posted by PenguinYou can understand it though,they must be pretty desperate ,religion is on the decline in England.I think it is the same in many developed countries.
It may be harsh, but I also believe it to be perfectly fair. They say they have evidence of something that they do not, and they are well aware that their conclusions are not supported.
They are simply lying.
Penguin.
01 Apr 13
Originally posted by SuzianneThat's not spin. If it is, it takes spin to an unprecedented level. "Lying" isn't necessarily correct either, because what they said might actually be true.
"lying" is a bit harsh, I'd say.
I'd call it "spin".
I think what they did is called "disinformation." Stuff like this just further alienates those outside the church. It makes the CoE seem desperate.
01 Apr 13
Originally posted by sumydidI take your point that it may not necessarily be lying - although
That's not spin. If it is, it takes spin to an unprecedented level. "Lying" isn't necessarily correct either, because what they said might actually be true.
I think what they did is called "disinformation." Stuff like this just further alienates those outside the church. It makes the CoE seem desperate.
if you know Brits you will know that it is most definitely not true.
At the very least it is deceitful.
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05 Apr 13
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Originally posted by PenguinCome off it. It's a dodgy interpretation of the statistics. Obviously people who do not believe in the efficacy of prayer would still be inclined to answer that they would pray for world peace; however, even those who do believe in the efficacy of prayer might not think that the purpose of prayer is simply to ask for things (prayer may be spiritually remedial). And then again, those who do pray might not necessarily expect 100% efficacy.
The Church of England has commissioned a poll which, it says, suggests that "80% of adults believe in the power of prayer"
http://www.churchofengland.org/media-centre/news/2013/03/four-out-of-five-believe-in-the-power-of-prayer.aspx
So presumably, they asked the participants whether they believed in the power of prayer. No? No. They asked this: "Irr ...[text shortened]... e run up to Easter?
The Church of England. Lying for Jesus since 1534.
--- Penguin.
But I hardly see this as a design by the clerical hierarchy to deceive the public about the popularity of prayer. I sincerely doubt that the majority of Anglican clerics pray.
05 Apr 13
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Originally posted by Conrau KBut I hardly see this as a design by the clerical hierarchy to deceive the public about the popularity of prayer.
Come off it. It's a dodgy interpretation of the statistics. Obviously people who do not believe in the efficacy of prayer would still be inclined to answer that they would pray for world peace; however, even those who do believe in the efficacy of prayer might not think that the purpose of prayer is simply to ask for things (prayer may be spiritually remedi ...[text shortened]... c about the popularity of prayer. I sincerely doubt that the majority of Anglican clerics pray.
The first line of the news release reads as follows:
"Four out of five British adults believe in the power of prayer, according to a new ICM survey in the run-up to Easter."
The only way it wouldn't be a lie is if the writer and all the approvers of the press release did not understand the falseness of that statement. Regardless it is inexcusably deceptive.
For those who would substitute the terms "spin" and "disinformation", those are simply specific types of lies.