10 Jun '11 18:10>
Something relevant:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology
Originally posted by menace71Well you are saying the same thing Im saying but in different words.
Well the faith vs works issue maybe it's just a man made paradox of course. Have to have faith to do the works and you will not do the works unless you have faith IN Christ.
Manny
Originally posted by AThousandYoungThose preachers base their doctrine on this passage :
Something relevant:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology
Matt 6:31-34 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself...
Originally posted by Rajk999================================
So the answer is YES, once saved always saved.
Now you well know that Christ stressed the importance of good works and He went so far as to state categorically that those who do not do good works will not get eternal life.
How do you reconcile your apparently conflicting theology with that of Christ?
Originally posted by jaywillI am reading it. But some of your analysis is so long that I need to focus on certain key statements. Most of foundation for your conclusion that the once saved always saved principle ie saved from eternal perdition, seems to be this statement :
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So the answer is YES, once saved always saved.
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Did you notice nothing when I wrote of the different ways in which the word "saved" is used in the New Testament ? Did that all go in one ear and out the other ?
In terms of "saved" from eternal perdition, yes ...[text shortened]... secure. Their reward or discipline based upon works is not garuanteed though.[/b]
Originally posted by Rajk999No comment.
Here is a quote from RJHinds in the thread "Making an example out of the unfortunate":
[quote]I do not help people because they are poor. I do not believe it
is my fault they are poor. So it does not matter to me if a person
is rich or poor. I will only help a person if I feel like helping them.
I do not believe Jesus requires me to help the poor be ...[text shortened]... y much like the modus operandi of the Rich Man in Christ's story of the Rich Man and Lazarus?
Originally posted by menace71yes, because all atheists are bastards and all those who have faith do a lot of works.
Well the faith vs works issue maybe it's just a man made paradox of course. Have to have faith to do the works and you will not do the works unless you have faith IN Christ.
Manny
Originally posted by ZahlanziIt is Jesus that makes that decision.
yes, because all atheists are bastards and all those who have faith do a lot of works.
it is not a paradox, those things go together. and i am unsure about the faith part. i believe god would rather forgive a muslim who leads a good life than a christian who beats his wife and kids
Originally posted by Rajk999====================================
I am reading it. But some of your analysis is so long that I need to focus on certain key statements. Most of foundation for your conclusion that the once saved always saved principle ie saved from eternal perdition, seems to be this statement :
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In terms of "saved" from eternal perdition, yes, once saved from eternal perditio ...[text shortened]... ion that all Christians who profess that they believe in Christ qualify as 'Christ sheep'?
Originally posted by Rajk999===================================
I am reading it. But some of your analysis is so long that I need to focus on certain key statements. Most of foundation for your conclusion that the once saved always saved principle ie saved from eternal perdition, seems to be this statement :
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In terms of "saved" from eternal perdition, yes, once saved from eternal perditio ion that all Christians who profess that they believe in Christ qualify as 'Christ sheep'?
Originally posted by jaywillChrist says in John 10:28 that his sheep are those who 'follow Him'. I hope you understand that the way I do and 'follow' means follow His commandments and not simply to follow as a duck would.
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Here is the passage :
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Is it your conclusion that all Christians who profess that they believe in Christ qualify as ...[text shortened]... surprised that some caveat which I did not include could be brought up by way of objection.[/b]