Conceptually speaking
23 Jun '10 13:30Similar to using words to describe words, we use concepts to define concepts. Where does it end? Or begin?
23 Jun '10 14:116 editsOriginally posted by FreakyKBHThis is of interest to me because of how I notice more and more frequently words I am familiar have disassociated themselves from concepts, or that I cannot find words to fit concepts (have been tentatively diagnosed with MS and dysphasia is a rare symptom, it's getting worse), and so I am forced sometimes to "take the scenic route" and talk about concepts in terms of other concepts at the expense of eloquence.
Similar to using words to describe words, we use concepts to define concepts. Where does it end? Or begin?
24 Jun '10 00:452 editsOriginally posted by FreakyKBHBefore those makings of the mind,
Similar to using words to describe words, we use concepts to define concepts. Where does it end? Or begin?
24 Jun '10 05:21Originally posted by vistesdClose.
Before those makings of the mind,
before all concepts, thoughts or words—
all that “about and about and about”—
just there is the beginning…
…and the ending, except
for “about and about and about”.
Or:
Observe the nature of the world,
the floating-by of phenomena;
observe the nature of your mind,
the floating-by of feelings and thoug ...[text shortened]... , generally called “meditation” )—in any other sense they, too, would just be “about and about”.
24 Jun '10 05:22Originally posted by AgergYes, and I am am just wondering (aloud) upon what are these concepts based?
This is of interest to me because of how I notice more and more frequently words I am familiar have disassociated themselves from concepts, or that I cannot find words to fit concepts (have been tentatively diagnosed with MS and dysphasia is a rare symptom, it's getting worse), and so I am forced sometimes to "take the scenic route" and talk about concepts in ...[text shortened]... ts branching off from these. At some point we get round to saying what we mean (somehow).
24 Jun '10 14:433 editsOriginally posted by AgergThread 131332
This is of interest to me because of how I notice more and more frequently words I am familiar have disassociated themselves from concepts, or that I cannot find words to fit concepts (have been tentatively diagnosed with MS and dysphasia is a rare symptom, it's getting worse), and so I am forced sometimes to "take the scenic route" and talk about concepts in ts branching off from these. At some point we get round to saying what we mean (somehow).
24 Jun '10 14:45Originally posted by FreakyKBHPattern recognition is the source of all language. Hence, my Tarzan remark... First patterns in visual/sound and eventually evolving to complex patterns between word groups which form what we call concepts.
Yes, and I am am just wondering (aloud) upon what are these concepts based?
24 Jun '10 15:07Originally posted by PalynkaI don't know that I agree with your take on the source of language. However, what I am trying to get at is the dependency aspect of meaning. When we use a word to describe another word, there exists an ascendancy of sorts--- think of a reverse corruption from rock to pebble.
Pattern recognition is the source of all language. Hence, my Tarzan remark... First patterns in visual/sound and eventually evolving to complex patterns between word groups which form what we call concepts.
That's why abstract concepts are so hard to pin down.
24 Jun '10 16:04Originally posted by FreakyKBHThis kind of disassociation between word and the idea its supposed to represent (and eventually leading into words defining words etc.) kind of bleeds into other aspects of social life as well.
I don't know that I agree with your take on the source of language. However, what I am trying to get at is the dependency aspect of meaning. When we use a word to describe another word, there exists an ascendancy of sorts--- think of a reverse corruption from rock to pebble.
While we can't deny a certain complexity has developed in English as a result ...[text shortened]... f objects or concepts, these concepts are themselves shadows of a reality otherwise unknown.
24 Jun '10 22:16Originally posted by FreakyKBHHa! 🙂 Hard to read between the lines of a one-word response—but, in our case, it can be done! (And you’re likely waiting to see me do it.)
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