1. Standard memberBosse de Nage
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    24 Jun '10 23:03
    Originally posted by vistesd
    I really have to read Nagarjuna (the Beetle's been quoting him recently, too...).
    It has completely destroyed my poor ideas of Indian philosophy. Good thing, too 🙂
  2. Hmmm . . .
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    24 Jun '10 23:23
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    It has completely destroyed my poor ideas of Indian philosophy. Good thing, too 🙂
    If my brain isn’t wrecked after the Spanda Karikas and (my second version of) the Shiva Sutras, I’ll try to infiltrate Nagarjuna.
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    24 Jun '10 23:362 edits
    Originally posted by vistesd
    If my brain isn’t wrecked after the Spanda Karikas and (my second version of) the Shiva Sutras, I’ll try to infiltrate Nagarjuna.
    One fascinating aspect of such matter is the casual form of expression. Makes Kant seem positively hyperbolic.

    A joyful facet of my mental destruction is the realisation that whereas previously my understanding could be plotted onto familiar occidental systems, from Christ to Kant, it is now very subtly different.

    That is to say, no longer academic.
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    25 Jun '10 02:37
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    One fascinating aspect of such matter is the casual form of expression. Makes Kant seem positively hyperbolic.

    A joyful facet of my mental destruction is the realisation that whereas previously my understanding could be plotted onto familiar occidental systems, from Christ to Kant, it is now very subtly different.

    That is to say, no longer academic.
    Wonderful! Then it starts to work with the satguru within!
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    25 Jun '10 02:37
    Originally posted by vistesd
    Before those makings of the mind,
    before all concepts, thoughts or words—
    all that “about and about and about”—
    just there is the beginning…

    …and the ending, except
    for “about and about and about”.

    Or:

    Observe the nature of the world,
    the floating-by of phenomena;
    observe the nature of your mind,
    the floating-by of feelings and thoug ...[text shortened]... , generally called “meditation” )—in any other sense they, too, would just be “about and about”.
    About.

    I said that word over and over again and now it doesn't make any sense. 🙄
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    25 Jun '10 02:39
    Originally posted by josephw
    About.

    I said that word over and over again and now it doesn't make any sense. 🙄
    LOL!! Good, good! Thanks for that.
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    25 Jun '10 03:08
    Originally posted by vistesd
    Ha! 🙂 Hard to read between the lines of a one-word response—but, in our case, it can be done! (And you’re likely waiting to see me do it.)

    Between that “close” and what I wrote there is, however, a yawning abyss—dualism versus non-dualism (as you well know!).

    You fox… 😵
    Two of an opposing feathers, bro.
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    25 Jun '10 04:12
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    It has completely destroyed my poor ideas of Indian philosophy. Good thing, too 🙂
    Since all things altogether lack substance in causes and/ or conditions, all of them in total or separately are empty😵
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    25 Jun '10 17:00
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    I don't know that I agree with your take on the source of language. However, what I am trying to get at is the dependency aspect of meaning. When we use a word to describe another word, there exists an ascendancy of sorts--- think of a reverse corruption from rock to pebble.

    While we can't deny a certain complexity has developed in English as a result ...[text shortened]... f objects or concepts, these concepts are themselves shadows of a reality otherwise unknown.
    Your thoughts on possible factors, conditions or qualities which

    may serve to enable/promote accuracy with fluidity and ease?
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    25 Jun '10 17:29
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Your thoughts on possible factors, conditions or qualities which

    may serve to enable/promote accuracy with fluidity and ease?
    Contact with that otherwise unknown seems to be the cure.
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    25 Jun '10 17:551 edit
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Contact with that otherwise unknown seems to be the cure.
    Suggesting the delineation of knowable boundaries, the cultivation of significant

    nuances and cognitive clarity comes from relationship with an ultimate source?
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    25 Jun '10 19:25
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Suggesting the delineation of knowable boundaries, the cultivation of significant

    nuances and cognitive clarity comes from relationship with an ultimate source?
    In a word, I suppose, revelation.
  13. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    25 Jun '10 19:50
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    In a word, I suppose, revelation.
    Point in time and/or gradual?
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    26 Jun '10 14:22
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Point in time and/or gradual?
    Yes.
  15. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    27 Jun '10 02:51
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Yes.
    "Similar to using words to describe words, we use concepts to define concepts. Where does it end? Or begin?"


    Scale of ten, thread making any progress in refining its opening question or distilling any satisfying answers?
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