Constellations In Job

Originally posted by @fmf
It gives pause for thought: why do 21st century people obsess over the superstitions of Bronze Age people?

Because they’re not superstitions?

Originally posted by @philokalia
The earth is held in place by a graviational pull from the sun; it could be thought of as 'suspended' in place, floating, and drifting, in a steady pattern around the sun.

What you are actually disputing is semantics...

... And you are like picking a fight with the semantics of a dead language -- and, what is also noteworthy, is that most scholar ...[text shortened]... wording not being satisfactory to 21st century ears.

Amazingly high standards you got, moi8.

But the Earth isn't held in place.
It isn't stationary.
So saying that Job is incredibly scientifically accurate is utter rubbish.
It tells us nothing

Now if Job said 'the Earth is like a ball and revolveth around the Sun"

well that would be something - it would mean the Hebrews were up there with the Greeks.

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
But the Earth isn't held in place.
It isn't stationary.
So saying that Job is incredibly scientifically accurate is utter rubbish.
It tells us nothing

Now if Job said 'the Earth is like a ball and revolveth around the Sun"

well that would be something - it would mean the Hebrews were up there with the Greeks.

When were the Greeks active in astronomy?

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
But the Earth isn't held in place.
It isn't stationary.
So saying that Job is incredibly scientifically accurate is utter rubbish.
It tells us nothing

Now if Job said 'the Earth is like a ball and revolveth around the Sun"

well that would be something - it would mean the Hebrews were up there with the Greeks.

<<But the Earth isn't held in place.
It isn't stationary.>>

The verse in Job doesn’t say either of these - it doesn’t say the earth is held in place and it doesn’t say the earth is stationary.

You’re saying the verse says something it doesn’t and then dismissing it as rubbish based on your mischaracterization.

The thought that we moderns know more about the mechanics of the universe than God is laughable. In fact the more we find out the more we realize how much we don't know.

An MIT student once told me of a professor there who was an expert on stars who gave a long lecture on star formation. And at the end he said something like this.

paraphrased - " I have to let you know that I have no idea how stars shine nor does anyone else."

Or something close to that.

Originally posted by @romans1009
<<But the Earth isn't held in place.
It isn't stationary.>>

The verse in Job doesn’t say either of these - it doesn’t say the earth is held in place and it doesn’t say the earth is stationary.

You’re saying the verse says something it doesn’t and then dismissing it as rubbish based on your mischaracterization.

Which is why I asked what you thought it meant!
(But you would not say)

Originally posted by @sonship
An MIT student once told me of a professor there who was an expert on stars who gave a long lecture on star formation. And at the end he said something like this.

paraphrased - " I have to let you know that I have no idea how stars shine nor does anyone else."

Or something close to that.

Wow.
Ever heard of nuclear fusion?
2 hydrogen atoms equals 1 helium plus energy.
The fusion happens at the core of the sun and produces gamma (I think) radiation
which bounces around inside the sun for a while (thousands of years) then
reaches us as visible light (cos it's lost a lot of energy).

Too tired to google but that's a schoolboy explanation.

So that "expert on stars" was an ignoramus. 😀

Originally posted by @romans1009
When were the Greeks active in astronomy?

I think there are written accounts dating from 500BCE.

The Egyptians had discerned the length of the year c. 3,000 BCE
and had some astronomy rom 5,000 BCE.

The Indians and Chinese have astronomical data dating way back.

The Hebrews in comparison were children.

Originally posted by @sonship
The thought that we moderns know more about the mechanics of the universe than God is laughable.

"We moderns" know more about the mechanics of the universe than the ancient Hebrews did.

Originally posted by @romans1009
Interesting article...

Yesterday I posted a number of scientific consistencies found in the Old Testament. While I think there are good reasons why God might not reveal advanced scientific details in Scripture, I do expect God’s Word to be scientifically consistent with the world we experience. One interesting scientific consistency seems to exist in ...[text shortened]... p://coldcasechristianity.com/2013/is-the-astronomy-in-the-book-of-job-scientifically-consistent/

A similar argument could be made for the divinity of the Simpsons because they predicted a Trump presidency in one of their episodes. If they Simpsons were not gods, how could such a prediction come true?

Don't forget that many biblical claims (Global Flood, universe created in six days, etc.) have been disproven.

Originally posted by @vivify
A similar argument could be made for the divinity of the Simpsons because they predicted a Trump presidency in one of their episodes. If they Simpsons were not gods, how could such a prediction come true?

Don't forget that many biblical claims (Global Flood, universe created in six days, etc.) have been disproven.

You’re aware of the prophecy in Daniel 9?

On the Simpsons, I think you’re confusing coincidence with prophecy - and if I’m not mistaken, Trump had said numerous times in the past that he was thinking of running for President.

Originally posted by @romans1009
I think you’re confusing coincidence with prophecy

Bingo: that's what you're doing with this passage in Job claiming it's predicts something scientific.

Originally posted by @vivify
Bingo: that's what you're doing with this passage in Job claiming it's predicts something scientific.

I’m not saying that at all. I’m saying it’s an accurate (though simplistic) representation of the earth at a time when (I believe) other religions and mythology held the earth rested on the back of a tortoise or was supported by Atlas’ shoulders. The idea that something could exist in the air or space without visible means of support I think was quite foreign back then.