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Originally posted by epiphinehasIt's interesting how you seem to find whatever translation seems to best fit your purposes. You seem to take whatever definition of a given word that best suits your purposes. Do you not see this as a dishonest practice?
[b]You're a pathetic little man.
Consider this:
"Whoever speaks contemptuously and insultingly to his brother shall be liable to and unable to escape the punishment imposed by the Sanhedrin, and whoever says, You cursed fool! [You empty-headed idiot!] shall be liable to and unable to escape the hell (Gehenna) of fire" (Matthew 5:22, AMP).
He give [you your] sins and to cleanse [you] from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:9).[/b]
Try Young's Literal Translation:
but I -- I say to you, that every one who is angry at his brother without cause, shall be in danger of the judgment, and whoever may say to his brother, Empty fellow! shall be in danger of the sanhedrim, and whoever may say, Rebel! shall be in danger of the gehenna of the fire.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneThe Amplified Bible has it right:
It's interesting how you seem to find whatever translation seems to best fit your purposes. You seem to take whatever definition of a given word that best suits your purposes. Do you not see this as a dishonest practice?
Try Young's Literal Translation:
but I -- I say to you, that every one who is angry at his brother without cause, shall be in dange ...[text shortened]... r of the sanhedrim, and whoever may say, Rebel! shall be in danger of the gehenna of the fire.
"Empty fellow!" (YLT) >>>>> Greek: raka - "O empty one, i.e., thou worthless (as a term of utter vilification)", Strongs #4469.
"Rebel!" (YLT) >>>>> Greek: moros - "Dull or stupid (as if shut up), i.e., heedless, (morally) blockhead, (apparently) absurd - foolish", Strongs #3474.
Jesus is referring to all expressions of contempt as sin.
Face it, you sinned by calling KM a "pathetic little man."
That is, if you plan on taking Jesus seriously.
Originally posted by epiphinehasThis is interesting.
The Amplified Bible has it right:
"Empty fellow!" (YLT) >>>>> Greek: raka - "O empty one, i.e., thou worthless (as a term of utter vilification)", Strongs #4469.
"Rebel!" (YLT) >>>>> Greek: moros - "Dull or stupid (as if shut up), i.e., heedless, (morally) blockhead, (apparently) absurd - foolish", Strongs #3474.
Jesus is referring ...[text shortened]... calling KM a "pathetic little man."
That is, if you plan on taking Jesus seriously.
Your original accusation pointed to "insult":
"Here's something not arrived at based on inference: you broke God's law just now by insulting knightmeister."
Now you portray your accusation as justified, yet point to something else. A point which is based on inference.
While I understand your wanting to feel secure in sin, the fact remains that the teachings of Jesus do not support this concept. In the short time you've been posting here, it seems your belief system has undergone many changes. Have you considered that this may be an indicator of unsoundness? Currently it seems you focus on what you "get". May you continue to seek. The truth will set you free.
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While I understand your wanting to feel secure in sin,
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This is your wishful thinking - the position you hope he has.
What we are secure in is in the redemptive work of Christ. Perhaps you are not sure of His redemptive work.
The new covenant in Jeremiah states He would remember their sins no more. We are secure in the knowledge that when God forgets something it is really gone.
There are five different kinds of forgiveness in the Bible. If you want to talk about it we can start a discussion on the five different kinds of forgiveness.
There is eternal forgiveness
There is forgiveness to maintain a daily fellowship
There is forgivenes of the church towards a sinning member
There is forgiveness of God's discipline
There is forgiveness of the KIngdom Age in the Millennium
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the fact remains that the teachings of Jesus do not support this concept.
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Where is your support for discarding the book of Acts and 13 books of the New Testament ?
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneNow you portray your accusation as justified, yet point to something else. A point which is based on inference.
This is interesting.
Your original accusation pointed to "insult":
[b]"Here's something not arrived at based on inference: you broke God's law just now by insulting knightmeister."
Now you portray your accusation as justified, yet point to something else. A point which is based on inference.
While I understand your wanting to feel secure in ...[text shortened]... ems you focus on what you "get". May you continue to seek. The truth will set you free.[/b]
Insults belie a heart full of anger towards another.
Jesus said, "anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment" (Matt. 5:22).
Face it, you've sinned. You're a sinner.
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Originally posted by epiphinehasNow you pretty much try to go back to your original accusation and take the words of Jesus out of context to suit your own purposes. You see what you want to see.
[b]Now you portray your accusation as justified, yet point to something else. A point which is based on inference.
Insults belie a heart full of anger towards another.
Jesus said, "anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment" (Matt. 5:22).
Face it, you've sinned. You're a sinner.[/b]
"but I -- I say to you, that every one who is angry at his brother without cause, shall be in danger of the judgment."
You also infer what's in my heart.
What's in your heart?
Originally posted by CalJustDo you mean 'Apologists'?
I skip in and out of the Forums, sometimes giving it a miss for months, because some of the debates are really infantile and pathetic, not to mention vindictive, hurtful and malicious.
So it was an absolute feast to see epi's thread with the above title and the responses of vistesd. I can't remember ever having enjoyed reading a thread as much since the b ...[text shortened]... etics on RHP CAN be effective!
At least up to page 8...
In peace
CJ
Apologetics sounds like a eugenics program.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneIt's not hard to infer what is in your heart.
Now you pretty much try to go back to your original accusation and take the words of Jesus out of context to suit your own purposes. You see what you want to see.
"but I -- I say to you, that [b]every one who is angry at his brother without cause, shall be in danger of the judgment."
You also infer what's in my heart.
What's in your heart?[/b]
Jesus said, "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits."
A sheep does not utter insults. A ravenous wolf utters insults.
You are known by your fruits.
Bad fruit = bad tree. Jesus is quite clear on that point, as you are aware.
Sorry, T.O.O., the charade is over.
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Originally posted by epiphinehasLook at how you bend truth to suit your own purposes. Look at how many different ways that you've twisted Matt. 5:22 alone. You seek not truth, but to suit your own purposes.
It's not hard to infer what is in your heart.
Jesus said, "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits."
A sheep does not utter insults. A ravenous wolf utters insults.
You are known by your fruits.
Bad fruit = bad tree. Jesus is quite clear on that point, as you are aware.
Sorry, T.O.O., the charade is over.
No matter how hard you continue to try to hide from it, the following will still be there. Ask this:
Do you abide in Jesus?
Do you love Jesus?
John 15:11
"If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love"
John 14:21-24
"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself unto him...If a man love me, he will keep my word: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my words"
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneNobody is twisting Matthew 5:22. Just stop.
Look at how you bend truth to suit your own purposes. Look at how many different ways that you've twisted Matt. 5:22 alone. You seek not truth, but to suit your own purposes.
No matter how hard you continue to try to hide from it, the following will still be there. Ask this:
Do you abide in Jesus?
Do you love Jesus?
John 15:11
"If you keep M ...[text shortened]... ll come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my words"
"You're a pathetic little man," has the same meaning as "raka".
Raka = "O empty one, i.e., thou worthless one" - Strongs #4469
"...whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council" (Matt 5:22).
Jesus said, "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits."
A sheep does not utter insults. A ravenous wolf utters insults.
You are known by your fruits. Bad fruit = bad tree.
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It's a fair question to ask: "Do you keep Jesus' commandments?"
But coming from someone like you who clearly doesn't keep Jesus' commandments, the question rings entirely hollow.
Don't you see that your credibility is ruined?
It's over.
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Originally posted by epiphinehas"Nobody is twisting Matthew 5:22.
Nobody is twisting Matthew 5:22. Just stop.
"You're a pathetic little man," has the same meaning as "raka".
Raka = "O empty one, i.e., thou worthless one" - Strongs #4469
"...whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council" (Matt 5:22).
Jesus said, "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in irely hollow.
Don't you see that your credibility is ruined?
It's over.
Nobody but you. I'll limit this to the first phrase, just to prove the point.
First you started off with poor translation that you thought best suited your purposes:
"Whoever speaks contemptuously and insultingly to his brother shall be liable to and unable to escape the punishment imposed by the Sanhedrin"
With this you make the following accusation:
"you broke God's law just now by insulting knightmeister.
I point you to Young's literal translation:
"every one who is angry at his brother without cause, shall be in danger of the judgment"
You change your attack and then later go back to the first clause with this dishonestly edited translation:
"anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment"
With this you make another accusation:
"Insults belie a heart full of anger towards another...Face it, you've sinned. You're a sinner."
You leave out "without cause" in order to suit your own purposes, even after having seen YLT.
Now you state:
"Nobody is twisting Matthew 5:22
Congratulations, you've managed the trifecta: distortion, half-truth and outright lie in that order. KM has nothing on you.
And you talk about my "charade" and my "credibility"?
The only "charade" is being perpetrated by you. A charade propped up by resorting to distortion, half-truth and lie.
I don't know that I've been so viciously and repeatedly attacked as by the likes of you, KM, josephw, etc. And the manner of attack that has shown a complete and utter disregard for truth, fairness, honesty, etc. It's as if you guys decide that you have a point to make and that you'll make it "whatever it takes".
Once again, what's in your heart?
Open your eyes to truth. You have eyes but cannot see.
BTW, I didn't place those verses at the bottom of my previous post to ask you, ""Do you keep Jesus' commandments?", if that's what you're thinking. Rather it was to impress on you what Jesus says it means to "love" and "abide".
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI'm not attacking you.
"Nobody is twisting Matthew 5:22.
Nobody but you. I'll limit this to the first phrase, just to prove the point.
First you started off with poor translation that you thought best suited your purposes:
"Whoever speaks contemptuously and insultingly to his brother shall be liable to and unable to escape the punishment imposed by the Sanhedr n you what Jesus says it means to "love" and "abide".
I'm pointing out the fact that you broke Christ's commandment.
Did you insult knightmeister or not?
If I called you "a pathetic little man" would you consider that an insult?
Of course. Any objective observer would think so.
Jesus says, "And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ ('O empty, worthless one!'😉 shall be in danger of the council."
If you don't keep Christ's commandments, then you don't get to lecture me or anyone else on keeping Christ's commandments.
Why should anyone take you seriously?
You see, it's over.
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Originally posted by epiphinehasQuite a proclamation from one who seems so deluded as to be unaware of his resorting to distortions, half-truths and outright lies even when the evidence is staring him in the face.
I'm not attacking you.
I'm pointing out the fact that you broke Christ's commandment.
Did you insult knightmeister or not?
If I called you "a pathetic little man" would you consider that an insult?
Of course. Any objective observer would think so.
Jesus says, "And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ ('O empty, worthless one!' st's commandments.
Why should anyone take you seriously?
You see, it's over.
You can keep ignoring it and making your proclamations, but truth is truth.
You have eyes but cannot see.
BTW, I pity KM, just as I pity you.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneWrong.
Quite a proclamation from one who seems so deluded as to be unaware of his resorting to distortions, half-truths and outright lies even when the evidence is staring him in the face.
You have eyes but cannot see.
BTW, I pity KM, just as I pity you.
Where in the original Greek does "without a cause" appear?
http://www.zhubert.com/bible?source=greek&verseref=Matthew+5%3A22
It doesn't.
Nice try, but you won't be able to successfully turn this back on me.
The bottom line is, you broke Christ's commandment by calling knightmeister a "pathetic little man."
"And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ ('O empty, worthless one!'😉 shall be in danger of the council."
By evading the obvious, you only dig a deeper hole for yourself.