Could it all be a trick by God?

Originally posted by googlefudge
Actually the problem isn't trying to use science to support his fantasies.

It's the fact that science DOESN'T support his fantasies.

When I saw the title of the thread,
the first thing I thought of was Irish women.

When I see around me lots and lots of foreign women
and see that quite a lot of them are far more beautiful
than Irish women, I think to myself did god play a cruel
trick on Irish men?

Your thoughts......which nation has the most beautiful women?

Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
When I saw the title of the thread,
the first thing I thought of was Irish women.

When I see around me lots and lots of foreign women
and see that quite a lot of them are far more beautiful
than Irish women, I think to myself did god play a cruel
trick on Irish men?

Your thoughts......which nation has the most beautiful women?

Holland

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Holland

Ok. More detail would be welcome.

Originally posted by moon1969
That God will only send to heaven the people who have the balls to reject jesus christ as savior. And will send to hell the feeble minded who do accept jesus christ as savior?

No, God doesn't trick or deceive.

Originally posted by ChessPraxis
No, God doesn't trick or deceive.

How do you know?

In fact How could you possibly know?

You are making god out to be this immensely powerful being that has the capability to
deceive you in any way it wanted.

There is no possible way of telling if a being of that power was deceiving you if it didn't want
you to detect it's deception.

So how can you possibly tell that god doesn't trick or deceive...


Particularly in the complete absence of any evidence for even your gods existence let alone character.

Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
When I saw the title of the thread,
the first thing I thought of was Irish women.

When I see around me lots and lots of foreign women
and see that quite a lot of them are far more beautiful
than Irish women, I think to myself did god play a cruel
trick on Irish men?

Your thoughts......which nation has the most beautiful women?

Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder...

So who's beer holder are we looking through?

Originally posted by googlefudge
How do you know?

In fact How could you possibly know?

You are making god out to be this immensely powerful being that has the capability to
deceive you in any way it wanted.

There is no possible way of telling if a being of that power was deceiving you if it didn't want
you to detect it's deception.

So how can you possibly tell that god d ...[text shortened]... rly in the complete absence of any evidence for even your gods existence let alone character.

I could cite Biblical passages, but that wouldn't prove it to you I am sure. So let's call it faith, something you might be lacking.

Originally posted by ChessPraxis
I could cite Biblical passages, but that wouldn't prove it to you I am sure. So let's call it faith, something you might be lacking.

To know something you must be able to demonstrate that you know it.

The bible is not evidence of gods nature.

And you can't know anything by faith.

So basically you are saying that you don't know that you god wouldn't/doesn't/hasn't deceived you.

You just like to think that your god wouldn't deceive you...

In much the same way that you like to think that your god actually exists.



EDIT: And I lack faith intentionally.

Faith (the belief in the truth of a proposition without evidence to justify that proposition or in the face of evidence that
contradicts that proposition) is demonstrably the worst possible way of choosing what to believe short of discovering
the truth and the deliberately believing the diametric opposite of that.

Belief based on unquestioning and unquestionable faith is the core problem with all religion and superstition.

Faith based beliefs are a complete anathema to any and all rational thinking people. By definition.

Originally posted by googlefudge
To know something you must be able to demonstrate that you know it.

The bible is not evidence of gods nature.

And you can't know anything by faith.

So basically you are saying that you don't know that you god wouldn't/doesn't/hasn't deceived you.

You just like to think that your god wouldn't deceive you...

In much the same way that you lik ...[text shortened]... ed beliefs are a complete anathema to any and all rational thinking people. By definition.

Show me the word "know" in my post then. Don't put words in my mouth, you hardly have the capacity to put them into your own mouth.

Originally posted by googlefudge
To know something you must be able to demonstrate that you know it.

The bible is not evidence of gods nature.

And you can't know anything by faith.

So basically you are saying that you don't know that you god wouldn't/doesn't/hasn't deceived you.

You just like to think that your god wouldn't deceive you...

In much the same way that you lik ...[text shortened]... ed beliefs are a complete anathema to any and all rational thinking people. By definition.

My faith as a Christian is based on much evidence that I believe to be true.

HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!

Originally posted by moon1969
No the thought was that God will send to heaven those who follow jesus's teachings of love and compassion, but that reject jesus as savior.

i hoped you meant that, but you phrased it wrong.


yes, god will accept those who follow jesus' teachings into heaven, but those that also believed in jesus will get better parking spaces.

Originally posted by ChessPraxis
Show me the word "know" in my post then. Don't put words in my mouth, you hardly have the capacity to put them into your own mouth.

You said

No, God doesn't trick or deceive.

Which is an unequivocal statement of fact.

You didn't say "I believe that..." or "I think that..." or "It's my opinion that..."

You said "God doesn't trick or deceive" which is a knowledge claim.

You don't have to actually use the words "I know" to be making a knowledge claim.

Originally posted by moon1969
That God will only send to heaven the people who have the balls to reject jesus christ as savior. And will send to hell the feeble minded who do accept jesus christ as savior?

I had a similar thought, not quite as harsh though. The gods don't need pussies.

Okay, slightly harsh.

Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
Six feet of earth is what your permanent address will be,

that goes for us all unless you are lost at sea or burnt.

Energy doesn't disappear. It just changes. Right?

All your hopes, all your feelings, just smoke?

Originally posted by googlefudge
You said

No, God doesn't trick or deceive.

Which is an unequivocal statement of fact.

You didn't say "I believe that..." or "I think that..." or "It's my opinion that..."

You said "God doesn't trick or deceive" which is a knowledge claim.

You don't have to actually use the words "I know" to be making a knowledge claim.

On the same note, you don't have to use the words of a prick to be one.
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