Creation & Evolution (Continued)
03 Nov '07 00:39For those of you that post on a 2 month old post, here is a new thread so it is easier to post. LAST WORDS
Originally posted by twhitehead
Kelly,
I seem to be failing to explain my point properly.
To summarize:
1. Nothing can be known for sure, but some things we think we are sure of to the degree that we call them facts. However that is of course relative, so what is a fact to me might not be to you. You however seem to think that some things are facts for everyone and anything else ns are most definitely flawed and my computer is must only be working via the grace of God.
"2. You question the findings of science only when it disagrees with your beliefs. You do not sit in your house in constant fear that all the nuclear power stations will blow up at any time or that your computer will explode, because you have confidence that the scientists got it right. But whenever that same science (which has been proved to be accurate time and again and without which we would not have computers, electricity etc etc) says something that contradicts your religion you declare that it could be wrong and is therefore merely 'faith' or 'joining the dots' etc."
Now KJ posts:
Excuse me, I call what I believe matters of faith, I call things I cannot
show or prove beliefs, that includes all matters as they relate to man.
Where do you get off saying I only apply this to science? What have
I ever said or implied my beliefs that I have come to in the universe
including how old it is were facts? I do say it is something I believe or
it is a matter of faith.
With regard to my computer I spend more than a little time thinking
about how it works, I do not nor do others that build the parts
'assume' things will work the way they are suppose to before they are
built and sold! They either do or do not, it isn't a matter of I hope this
is true, and the grand difference between putting together a PC and
your universal view of the age of the earth, we can test and see in real
time today what we claim should happen, YOU CANNOT verify any
million or billion year old date the same way, it isn't possible. You
like it, it fits what you believe, so it must be true, you have enough
to make that claim, but that is just between your ears.
I'll ask you this, what part of my religion have I pushed off on you
and called a fact simply, because I believed it? You do that to me
with your beliefs, it isn't something I have ever done to you, I do
admit I'm speaking about beliefs or faith; I don't come to point
where I feel comfortable saying I really, really believe this so it is
a fact.
Kelly
Originally posted by twhitehead
Kelly,
I seem to be failing to explain my point properly.
To summarize:
1. Nothing can be known for sure, but some things we think we are sure of to the degree that we call them facts. However that is of course relative, so what is a fact to me might not be to you. You however seem to think that some things are facts for everyone and anything else ns are most definitely flawed and my computer is must only be working via the grace of God.
"2. You question the findings of science only when it disagrees with your beliefs. You do not sit in your house in constant fear that all the nuclear power stations will blow up at any time or that your computer will explode, because you have confidence that the scientists got it right. But whenever that same science (which has been proved to be accurate time and again and without which we would not have computers, electricity etc etc) says something that contradicts your religion you declare that it could be wrong and is therefore merely 'faith' or 'joining the dots' etc."
Now KJ posts:
Excuse me, I call what I believe matters of faith, I call things I cannot
show or prove beliefs, that includes all matters as they relate to man.
Where do you get off saying I only apply this to science? What have
I ever said or implied my beliefs that I have come to in the universe
including how old it is were facts? I do say it is something I believe or
it is a matter of faith.
With regard to my computer I spend more than a little time thinking
about how it works, I do not nor do others that build the parts
'assume' things will work the way they are suppose to before they are
built and sold! They either do or do not, it isn't a matter of I hope this
is true, and the grand difference between putting together a PC and
your universal view of the age of the earth, we can test and see in real
time today what we claim should happen, YOU CANNOT verify any
million or billion year old date the same way, it isn't possible. You
like it, it fits what you believe, so it must be true, you have enough
to make that claim, but that is just between your ears.
I'll ask you this, what part of my religion have I pushed off on you
and called a fact simply, because I believed it? You do that to me
with your beliefs, it isn't something I have ever done to you, I do
admit I'm speaking about beliefs or faith; I don't come to point
where I feel comfortable saying I really, really believe this so it is
a fact.
Kelly
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