09 Sep 07
I tire of hardcore creationists poo pooing evolution. There are thousands of examples of vestigial limbs and organs throughout nature.
In human anatomy, the vermiform appendix is a great example. This 'wormlike' blind ended tube connected to the cecum near the junction of the small intestine and the large intestine serves no apparent useful purpose. In fact, some people are born without it all together. Some think that the appendix hold a minor role in supporting the immune system, but, a more likely explanation is that it is an evolutionary digestic tract hold over from when our diets consisted a significant quantity of roots, grasses and berries.
Another classic example is the small bones located in the muscles of many whale body walls that are vestigial bones of hips and hind limbs.
Can y'all pull your heads out of the sand long enough to explain to me why these are not examples of evolution in action?
09 Sep 07
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Originally posted by Hand of HecateWell as far as not using your appendix, speak for yourself. I use mine for a variety of acitivities thank you very much!! You know, the old addage if ya don't use it you loose it applies here I think. 😛
I tire of hardcore creationists poo pooing evolution. There are thousands of examples of vestigial limbs and organs throughout nature.
In human anatomy, the vermiform appendix is a great example. This 'wormlike' blind ended tube connected to the cecum near the junction of the small intestine and the large intestine serves no apparent useful pur t of the sand long enough to explain to me why these are not examples of evolution in action?
Edit: Not all creationists "poo-poo" evolution including myself.
09 Sep 07
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Originally posted by Hand of HecateExpected Creationist response: Who says that these vesitgials have no purpose?
I tire of hardcore creationists poo pooing evolution. There are thousands of examples of vestigial limbs and organs throughout nature.
In human anatomy, the vermiform appendix is a great example. This 'wormlike' blind ended tube connected to the cecum near the junction of the small intestine and the large intestine serves no apparent useful pur t of the sand long enough to explain to me why these are not examples of evolution in action?
or more simply put
"God works in mysterious ways."
10 Sep 07
Originally posted by Hand of HecateSome think that the appendix hold a minor role in supporting the immune system, but, a more likely explanation is that it is an evolutionary digestic tract hold over from when our diets consisted a significant quantity of roots, grasses and berries.
I tire of hardcore creationists poo pooing evolution. There are thousands of examples of vestigial limbs and organs throughout nature.
In human anatomy, the vermiform appendix is a great example. This 'wormlike' blind ended tube connected to the cecum near the junction of the small intestine and the large intestine serves no apparent useful pur ...[text shortened]... t of the sand long enough to explain to me why these are not examples of evolution in action?
Is this a fact or your own conclusion. What evidences support this claim? When were humans eating roots, grasses, and berries?
10 Sep 07
Originally posted by ahosyneyWait, you're criticizing the article for offering a potential use (albeit an extant one) for the organ? The point of the OP was for a creationist to explain why an Intelligent Designer would have put these seemingly useless items in our bodies, especially when some of them are prone to causing problems.
[b]Some think that the appendix hold a minor role in supporting the immune system, but, a more likely explanation is that it is an evolutionary digestic tract hold over from when our diets consisted a significant quantity of roots, grasses and berries.
Is this a fact or your own conclusion. What evidences support this claim? When were humans eating roots, grasses, and berries?[/b]
Do you have any ideas?
10 Sep 07
Originally posted by telerionI'm talking about this:
Wait, you're criticizing the article for offering a potential use (albeit an extant one) for the organ? The point of the OP was for a creationist to explain why an Intelligent Designer would have put these seemingly useless items in our bodies, especially when some of them are prone to causing problems.
Do you have any ideas?
a more likely explanation is that it is an evolutionary digestic tract hold over from when our diets consisted a significant quantity of roots, grasses and berries
What makes this explaination the more likely one? Matching your believes is not enough reason to make the more likely explaination!
Don't you agree?
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Talking about the intelligent designer , can an intelligent designer intentionally design something with problems he knows?
10 Sep 07
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Originally posted by ahosyneyThis was Darwin's hypothesis I believe.
[b]Some think that the appendix hold a minor role in supporting the immune system, but, a more likely explanation is that it is an evolutionary digestic tract hold over from when our diets consisted a significant quantity of roots, grasses and berries.
Is this a fact or your own conclusion. What evidences support this claim? When were humans eating roots, grasses, and berries?[/b]
Darwin, Charles (1871). The Descent of Man, and Selection in Relation to Sex. John Murray: London.
Here's a site that goes into detail and has a number of references:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/vestiges/appendix.html
10 Sep 07
Originally posted by ahosyneyOf course I agree, but I think your question distracts from the thread. The central point of the OP is to challenge creationists to give a reasonable explaination for why we have vestigials, not to defend an evolutionary hypothesis about the original purpose of that particular organ.
I'm talking about this:
[b]a more likely explanation is that it is an evolutionary digestic tract hold over from when our diets consisted a significant quantity of roots, grasses and berries
What makes this explaination the more likely one? Matching your believes is not enough reason to make the more likely explaination!
Don't you agree?
----- ...[text shortened]... designer , can an intelligent designer intentionally design something with problems he knows?[/b]
10 Sep 07
Originally posted by telerionI should have left out the hypothesis regarding the original purpose of the organ. My intent was not to confuse the issue, but, to be objective and fair in my argument.
Of course I agree, but I think your question distracts from the thread. The central point of the OP is to challenge creationists to give a reasonable explaination for why we have vestigials, not to defend an evolutionary hypothesis about the original purpose of that particular organ.
ahosyney is simply dodging the issue by focusing on a minor point.