Credit and blame

According to KellyJay in a recent thread he cannot take any credit for his salvation by his version of Jesus, who incidentally, he claims also “hated” him when he was a sinner before he was saved, but saved him anyway because he loved him.

Anyway, park the erroneous contradictory nonsense about hatred and love for the moment and consider this: if a person such as KellyJay cannot take any of the “credit” for his salvation because it is all up to Jesus, then how come the rest of the unsaved human beings have to take the blame for being unsaved and consequently be burnt alive in the lake of fire by this same Jesus?

Can anyone explain this please?

According to a recent book called The New Testament the Apostle Paul's insight said no saved person had anything to boast in because eternal life was through "the gift of God."

I think some of us have learned not to immediately trust what you say someone else said too quickly, because of your manipulating people's words.

On taking credit for one's salvation you might start here:

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

Not of works that no one should boast." (Eph. 2:9)

But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became wisdom to us from God; both righteousness and sanctification and redemption,

That as it is written, 'He who boast, let him boast in the Lord.' " (1 Cor. 1:20,31)

Not allowing God to put you in Christ Jesus apparently amounts to not obeying the Gospel of Christ and having to pay a penalty.

" ... rest with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ from heaven with the angels of His power, in flaming fire,

Rendering vengeance to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

They will pay the penalty of eternal destruction from the presence ofthe Lord and from the glory of His strength when He comes to be glorified in His saints and to be marveled at in all those who have believed (because our testimony to you was believed) in that day " (Second Thess. 1:7b-10)

@sonship said
" Eternal destruction " sounds temporary or everlasting ?

@sonship said
I think some of us have learned not to immediately trust what you say someone else said too quickly, because of your manipulating people's words.

@divegeester said
According to KellyJay in a recent thread he cannot take any credit for his salvation by his version of Jesus, who incidentally, he claims also “hated” him when he was a sinner before he was saved, but saved him anyway because he loved him.

Anyway, park the erroneous contradictory nonsense about hatred and love for the moment and consider this: if a person such as Kell ...[text shortened]... nsequently be burnt alive in the lake of fire by this same Jesus?

Can anyone explain this please?

@FMF
sonship:

" Eternal destruction " sounds temporary or everlasting ?

If it is destruction by fire, then it sounds like annihilation, and if it's eternal, it sounds permanent. A bit like an execution. An ending.

@divegeester

(Big talk sonship)

You make two really stupid mistakes. One is that you make partial quotes out of context of the original and infer meaning not implied.

And the second, which is worst of all considering your claim to be a Christian, is you fail to reference the scriptures and what they say in regards to the topic, but instead heap criticism against those that do.

@FMF

If it is destruction by fire, then it sounds like annihilation, and if it's eternal, it sounds permanent. A bit like an execution. An ending.

@secondson said
Easy to explain.

KellyJay didn't do such a bad job answering the question posed in his OP in the thread he started titled God Loves and Hates, but you did and do a terrible job of speaking to the topic.

You make two really stupid mistakes. One is that you make partial quotes out of context of the original and infer meaning not implied.

And the second, which ...[text shortened]... iptures and what they say in regards to the topic, but instead heap criticism against those that do.

@sonship said
@FMF

If it is destruction by fire, then it sounds like annihilation, and if it's eternal, it sounds permanent. A bit like an execution. An ending.

After this many years I think you probably know why this would not be the end of the story in my study of the Bible.

This time before you tell us that it really doesn't matter to you ANYWAY, why no ...[text shortened]... but rises forever and ever ?

Then you can fall back on "It doesn't really matter to me anyway."

@divegeester

Of course if all that brimstone and lava lakes packed full of unbelievers gnashing their teeth in the "presence of the Lamb" could just be metaphorical visions designed to contrast the future without Christ.

@divegeester said
Other than your visceral dislike of me which is here thinly veiled as conjecture; do you have any explanation of why in the KellyJay version of the gospel God takes all of the credit and human take all of the blame?

@sonship said
@FMF

If it is destruction by fire, then it sounds like annihilation, and if it's eternal, it sounds permanent. A bit like an execution. An ending.

After this many years I think you probably know why this would not be the end of the story in my study of the Bible.

This time before you tell us that it really doesn't matter to you ANYWAY, why no ...[text shortened]... but rises forever and ever ?

Then you can fall back on "It doesn't really matter to me anyway."

@sonship said
@divegeester

Of course if all that brimstone and lava lakes packed full of unbelievers gnashing their teeth in the "presence of the Lamb" could just be metaphorical visions designed to contrast the future without Christ.

This kind of "clever" cynical sarcasm does not help. Can't you see that ?

It doesn't cause the alarm of what is CONVEYED by the w ...[text shortened]... TWO sides of God can both exist.

"Behold the kindness and severity of God." (Rom. 11:22)