Crosses, crucifixes and graven images

@philokalia said
How about the British flag?

I think that would be a woven image.

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I’m sure many things have been many things to different people over history are you saying they all have the same meaning to all?

@philokalia said
Oof, sorry, I can't seem to find the post.

It’s only a couple pages back, are you sure?

@mike69 said
@medullah
Mike is he not showing humility to acknowledge that he gets it wrong at times ?

I’m not him, nor are you, ask him.

It’s ok to discuss something. I answered many of your comments are you not going to answer? BYW I prefer The name Jesus🙂.

@suzianne said
It's not about "paganism".

But it is.

If Jesus was nailed to a tree or a post - as seems to be the historically accurate thing - but people writing an account of it decades later described a cross instead because they were trying to incorporate/appropriate a pre-existing non-Abrahamic religious symbol, then yes it is ~ it IS "about paganism". It is you, not me, who has missed the point.

@fmf said
But it is.

If Jesus was nailed to a tree or a post - as seems to be the historically accurate thing - but people writing an account of it decades later described a cross instead because they were trying to incorporate/appropriate a pre-existing non-Abrahamic religious symbol, then yes it is ~ it IS "about paganism". It is you, not me, who has missed the point.

It WAS a cross, thus the point, which you missed.

No "paganism" involved.

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So?

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However, in the context of biblical text and historical record, no one has worshiped the cross.

It is not an idol. It is only a symbol, and therefore, NOT a "graven image".

@suzianne said
It WAS a cross, thus the point, which you missed.No "paganism" involved.

It was a cross according to people creating a religion based on the life of Jesus decades after his death, people who consciously appropriated pagan ideas and symbols into their fledgling mythology/narrative.

@suzianne said
So?

So, it is YOU who is missing the point.

@fmf said
It was a cross according to people creating a religion based on the life of Jesus decades after his death, people who consciously appropriated pagan ideas and symbols into their fledgling mythology/narrative.

"Says you", she said, not surprised at all.

Acts, Hebrews and Romans tell the story of the fledgling religion, without the naysaying commentary.

@fmf said
So, it is YOU who is missing the point.

You know better than this.

Does this mythology narrative of yours include "paganism"? Idols? "Graven images"?