Originally posted by FabianFnasOh, I have the answers, but you have already made up your mind.
So you don't have any answer? It is alright to kill thousands, tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands people and still being considered being loving and good? Please explain! If you can't, then you don't know, and if you don't know, then don't even pretend that you knw.
You have just proved that god is evil. The answer should be obvious to tell. If it isn't then you've proven the fact.
So tell me, what good would it do to tell you?
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Originally posted by josephwSo tell me the answers, I dare you!
Oh, I have the answers, but you have already made up your mind.
So tell me, what good would it do to tell you?
This conversation has already deteriorated into meaninglessness.
I don't think you have any valid answers.
You consistently avoid every hard question. Why don't you ask god to give you the answer. You have contact, don't you? Open your hart and ask him!
But I bet that he doesn't have any answers either - and we know why, don't we?
Now I'm going to bed. Hour is late. You have all my night until my morning. Several hours. Think of good answers, will you. See you later.
I believe that there are certain rules that are sacrosanct--they are as basic as prime numbers to the mathematician. One of those rules is "God is good.." He cannot commit an evil act--iy is impossible. Yjerefore whatever He does is good, whether we puny humans think so or not.
I don't expect this to change any atheists' minds; unlike soome branches of Christianity, I don't feel I must convert anyone. I just thought I'd give a shot at answering the question. It's probably not a very satisfying answer to some, but it IS the one I base my faith upon.
Originally posted by PinkFloydAhhh, what a wag, basking in stupidity! Wallowing in it like a pig in mud....
And we all know what "PhD" stands for, eh Joe? Still, I try to be objective; just because someone has a PhD or any other letters strung out after their name, do your best to think no less of 'em. 😀
Originally posted by josephwThen you have probably watched Nacho Libre more times than you have read the bible. Do you consider yourself to be an expert on Nacho Libre?
And you misunderstand that I was merely making an analogy.
I applaud the achievement of gaining a PHD. I couldn't do it.
You read the LOTR that many times? I read it twice, and that was enough. I didn't like the movie. Although it was good.
But I have watched Nacho Libre about 20 times! 😳
Originally posted by PinkFloydWell, in which case, I'm glad I don't believe in your immoral God.
I believe that there are certain rules that are sacrosanct--they are as basic as prime numbers to the mathematician. One of those rules is "God is good.." He cannot commit an evil act--iy is impossible. Yjerefore whatever He does is good, whether we puny humans think so or not.
I don't expect this to change any atheists' minds; unlike soome branches of ...[text shortened]... 's probably not a very satisfying answer to some, but it IS the one I base my faith upon.
Originally posted by josephwWhat is "harmony and balance between even the smallest particles of matter" and what does it have to do with evolution?
It seems to me that if evolution is what is going on, then why is there so much pain and suffering? Why would things evolve in such a way? It seems to me that that there should be harmony and balance between even the smallest particles of matter, but instead there is violence and disorder between man.
Why do you think that things would evolve that way?
On the other hand, although you clearly feel that the Bible adequately explains the situation, I do not. I have tried numerous times to get a theist to explain it to me but invariably they resort to 'believe in Jesus or you will never understand it.' But not one Christian has been able to convince me that they themselves understand it. The amount of lies and evasiveness that comes out when you ask critical questions makes me think that they know they do not understand it but do not want to admit it.
Originally posted by scottishinnz🙂 Nah--just a realist who knows that intelligence is not measured by alpha-numeric credentials, whether they be Report Card grades, SAT scores, IQ's, or those cute little letters some people love to put after their surnames. 😀
Ahhh, what a wag, basking in stupidity! Wallowing in it like a pig in mud....
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Originally posted by PinkFloydI agree with your point, however, I also have respect for people who give up extended periods of their time studying. I tend to think that if someone has studied a subject full time for a number of years, they may actually know what they are talking about. Probably, their grasp of logical discourse is a bit better too. In fact, I'd go as far as to say, people who are better educated probably are smarter than people who are not educated - otherwise why would we educate anyone??
🙂 Nah--just a realist who knows that intelligence is not measured by alpha-numeric credentials, whether they be Report Card grades, SAT scores, IQ's, or those cute little letters some people love to put after their surnames. 😀
Originally posted by scottishinnzI would answer by saying for the same reason some people advertise. They pay unworldly amounts of money for a service that does absolutely no good. Hence, I recognize my puny degree (and everyone else's) for exactly what it is: something paid dearly for to make us (individuals, families perhaps, etc.) feel good.
I agree with your point, however, I also have respect for people who give up extended periods of their time studying. I tend to think that if someone has studied a subject full time for a number of years, they may actually know what they are talking about. Probably, their grasp of logical discourse is a bit better too. In fact, I'd go as far as to sa ...[text shortened]... probably are smarter than people who are not educated - otherwise why would we educate anyone??
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Originally posted by PinkFloydDo you think your physician's degree is puny?
I would answer by saying for the same reason some people advertise. They pay unworldly amounts of money for a service that does absolutely no good. Hence, I recognize my puny degree (and everyone else's) for exactly what it is: something paid dearly for to make us (individuals, families perhaps, etc.) feel good.
If so, why not visit your local witchdoctor instead??
Originally posted by scottishinnzA half of a touche to you, Sir. I seek out osteopaths as a rule but, when faced with an inflamed appendix of double inguinal strangulated hernias, I feel compelled to truck on down to the ER. Now, while there, I am treated by these people with white coats and degrees--and I still consider those credentials (the letters after their names) puny. But I'm in a bit of a quandry because here in the US, one MUST get those silly letters after their names in order to practice medicine, which kinda sucks.
Do you think your physician's degree is puny?
If so, why not visit your local witchdoctor instead??
Originally posted by PinkFloydPersonally, I'm all for my doctors being properly trained and examined to ensure that their knowledge is sufficient to treat people safely. I vehemently dislike hack-jobs!
....here in the US, one MUST get those silly letters after their names in order to practice medicine, which kinda sucks.
Originally posted by scottishinnzI've no bigtime gripe with that; if that's your preference, go for it. I find that my judgement and observations (as opposed to a piece of paper in a dusty frame) tends to serve me well whenever I find that I must "size someone up" as to their abilities, character, etc.
Personally, I'm all for my doctors being properly trained and examined to ensure that their knowledge is sufficient to treat people safely. I vehemently dislike hack-jobs!