@sonship saidWhat evidence do you have that God has been "rubbed into [your] personality"?
As for all the matters of obedience, in First John obedience is a matter of obeying the teaching of the anointing. And that is a moving around of the Holy Spirit kind of anointing or rubbing God into their personality.
If you see not evidence that some degree of Jesus has enfluenced over me then you run with that.
I will accept the responsibility that you may one day stand before God and say
"Yes someone was talking to me about You. But I saw absolutely ZERO evidence that You had ANY involvement or influence over his life. He was really a terrible representative of You."
If that is what you think, you go ahead and trust that this Christian was so below standard of a witness of Jesus as to be completely dismissed. You go ahead and put your trust in that that there is no Son of God and no salvation to be had from Him. Perhaps you will meet or have met a more representative witness of Christ.
I accept that possibility.
@divegeester
What do you think the verb anoint means?
Take a look at even Marriam-Webster's definition. [my bolding]
Definition of anoint
transitive verb
1: to smear or rub with oil or an oily substance
2a: to apply oil to as part of a religious ceremony
The priest anointed the sick.
b: to choose by or as if by divine election
anoint him as his successor
also : to designate as if by a ritual anointment
Critics have anointed her as an important new literary figure.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anoint
@sonship saidBut the word is being discussed in a biblical context. 'Anointing' is the sanctifying influences of the Holy Spirit upon Christians who are priests and kings unto God. It is not about God being rubbed into your personality.
@divegeester
What do you think the verb anoint means?
Take a look at even Marriam-Webster's definition. [my bolding]
Definition of anoint
transitive verb
1: to smear or rub with oil or an oily substance
2a: to apply oil to as part of a religious ceremony
The priest anointed the sick.
b: to choose by or as if by divine election
anoint ...[text shortened]... ointed her as an important new literary figure.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anoint
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
You seem to be trying to nullify the teaching by claiming this is only my personal proud boasting.
The apostle John in using the term "anointing" is recalling the Old Testament.
Franze Delitzsch, a renown Hebrew language scholar spoke to the words "mingled" and "anointed" in the same passage to help us understand the typology of God manifested in the flesh.
"As the latter were to be smeared with oil, we cannot understand bahlul [Heb. "mingled"] as signifying merely pouring of oil upon the baked cakes, but must take it in the sense of mingled, mixed, i.e., kneaded with oil."
J.N. Darby's footnote on Lev. 2:4 agrees but goes perhaps even further then Delitzsch's explanation in his New Translation of the Bible. Darby is trying to show that "anointed" was more than just "consecrated." The typology is of man being saturated and invigorated by the Holy Spirit.
"Bahlul. It cannot, I think, be doubted that this is more than, and intended to be more than mahshagh "anointed." "Mixed," "mingled," is the sense of the word. In Psalm 92:10 it is not merely "anointed" as consecrated, but his whole system is invigorated and strengthened by it; it formed his strength; hence it is "fresh oil" there."
Though these notes were about the incarnation of Christ, the Christians in the New Testament are said to be "firmly attached to the anointed one" and anointed by God.
"But the One who firmly attaches us with you unto Christ and has anointed us is God, He who has also sealed us and given the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge."( 2 Cor. 1:21,22)
1.) Christ the Anointed One is raised from the dead.
2.) Men who have believed into Him have been firmly attached to Him.
3.) God has anointed them.
God is mingling and mixing the Spirit of Christ into their being. John speaks similarly of the anointing going on in the believers in his epistle.
You are attempting to make this only my personal bragging.
I am believing and standing upon the New Testament, some explanations of men well versed in Bible study, AND what I have some experience of.
And I should have some experience of this anointing as a normal Christian disciple. And I need much more experience. All us believers in Jesus do also.
@sonship saidWhat does self-pitying drivel like this say about your personality? avalanchethecat is one of the fairest and most levelheaded posters here and he said to you: "You're a petty, small-minded, ill-educated, bigoted, self-important liar with delusions of grandeur." What personality traits DO YOU CLAIM have been "rubbed" into you by "God" and that make avalanchethecat's evaluation mistaken?
If that is what you think, you go ahead and trust that this Christian was so below standard of a witness of Jesus as to be completely dismissed. You go ahead and put your trust in that that there is no Son of God and no salvation to be had from Him. Perhaps you will meet or have met a more representative witness of Christ.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI think there may be parallels that can be drawn, though.
But the word is being discussed in a biblical context. 'Anointing' is the sanctifying influences of the Holy Spirit upon Christians who are priests and kings unto God. It is not about God being rubbed into your personality.
At least by those that can think (even just a little bit) outside the box.
Most Christians aren't very good at this.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI do not think the term 'deification' should be as scapegoated as it has been here.
Is there one Christian here who agrees with that?
"Making man into God" is, yeah, a bad thing. But infusing man with God's essence is sort of a 're-balancing' of what was originally intended for man by God, before Satan got his claws into mankind. Christians believe that Jesus came as a man to Earth to help 'reset' some of the imbalance.
Calling this a 'deification' seems overboard, but not entirely wrong.