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Originally posted by Proper KnobI wouldn't, but then again, contrary to popular opinion, I am not a God.
Would you call the stoning to death of women in Afghanistan and Pakistan for crimes such as adultery 'justice'?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhy do you have to be a God to state whether you think it's justice or not? You seem to be saying the laws in Deuteronomy are 'justice' and yet the same practices carried out by decrees contained in the Koran are not. What's the difference?
I wouldn't, but then again, contrary to popular opinion, I am not a God.
Originally posted by Rajk999Cool. We can throw out the Old Testament. I wonder why it is even included in the bible. What about the words in the New Testament not spoken by Christ. Can we throw those away also.
Why is there a need for any Christian to justify or explain the contents of the Old Testament. Christians are followers of Christ. Christ's commandments are in the New Testament. Do you have a question about the commandments of Christ?
Originally posted by Proper KnobBump for Robert.
Why do you have to be a God to state whether you think it's justice or not? You seem to be saying the laws in Deuteronomy are 'justice' and yet the same practices carried out by decrees contained in the Koran are not. What's the difference?
Originally posted by Proper Knobsimply because when you talk of justice in a Biblical context its not relative to what I
Bump for Robert.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo you have to be the author of a book to make a moral judgement on the contents within?! This all sounds like your flimsy - 'Who am i to question God defence'. To me this is one of the evil trappings of religion, it renders grown good men like yourself unable to make a judgement based on your own conscience. The death penalty, never was and never will be 'justice', even more so for such petty crimes as adultery and talking back to adults as laid out in the Mosaic Law. It is inhuman and barbaric, you know it, and that you can't bring yourself to say as such is quite tragic really.
simply because when you talk of justice in a Biblical context its not relative to what I
think is it, i did not author the book. i am aware that in a Biblical context that the
deterrent was severe, never the less bloodlines were important in Israel for a whole
host of legal reasons, this is not the case with Koranic justice, for they have no
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please call me Robbie, Robert is so formal, reserved only for serious duelling with
swords.
Originally posted by Proper KnobOn the contrary our religious stance hones the conscience as we are , almost on a
So you have to be the author of a book to make a moral judgement on the contents within?! This all sounds like your flimsy - 'Who am i to question God defence'. To me this is one of the evil trappings of religion, it renders grown good men like yourself unable to make a judgement based on your own conscience. The death penalty, never was and never will b
Do you think stoning this lad to death for picking up wood on the Sabbath was justice?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieA rather thoughtful episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation [Series 1, Episode 8, "Justice"] was about this. The planet's power elite, who instituted the 'even the most trivial of offences are punished by death too, so that people do as they're told' system, were the baddies.
Do I think that the man who was put to death for gathering wood on the Sabbath was just, well, i can readily discern the reason for it as it set a precedent that anyone disregarding the Law could do so with impunity, that is why he was
executed, not because of the gravity of his crime.
Originally posted by FMFinteresting, i did watch the tv series as a kid, it was and remains one of the few western tv programs which raised moral issues. i remember the one quite vividly when there was a computer war and and estimated number of persons had to report for execution based on the computers estimates of casualties 🙂
A rather thoughtful episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation [Series 1, Episode 8, "Justice"] was about this. The planet's power elite, who instituted the 'even the most trivial of offences are punished by death too, so that people do as they're told' system, were the baddies.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieReally? The upshot appears to be that a guy can rape some innocent girl, force her to marry him and then have her stoned to death, all with the blessing of this god of yours. How did you 'successfully' defend this?!
Actually Cat dude we have been through this before, I and the Proper one, where I
think i successfully defended the ancient text!
Originally posted by avalanchethecatYou are insulting even the intelligence of the Old Testament priests. They were not monsters. They had from God many other offerings as well to prescribe:
Really? The upshot appears to be that a guy can rape some innocent girl, force her to marry him and then have her stoned to death, all with the blessing of this god of yours. How did you 'successfully' defend this?!
Originally posted by avalanchethecatYou atheists are misrepresenting the law of Moses. But you also misrepresent a lot
Really? The upshot appears to be that a guy can rape some innocent girl, force her to marry him and then have her stoned to death, all with the blessing of this god of yours. How did you 'successfully' defend this?!
Originally posted by jaywillHey, don't get shirty man. I'm sure you've noticed as I have that there are a considerable number of christians who consider the bible in it's entirety as the word of god. You take Deuteronomy literally and it allows exactly that, doesn't it?
You are insulting even the intelligence of the Old Testament priests. They were not monsters. They had from God many other offerings as well to prescribe:
[b] The Sin Offering.
The Trepass Offering.
The Peace Offering.
It was not quite the rigid Fortran Computer Program of "GO TO STONING; STOP;" quite as easy as that. There were ...[text shortened]... ake into account the Atoning provisions which accompanied those laws of condemnation as well.[/b]
Originally posted by avalanchethecat
Hey, don't get shirty man. I'm sure you've noticed as I have that there are a considerable number of christians who consider the bible in it's entirety as the word of god. You take Deuteronomy literally and it allows exactly that, doesn't it?
Hey, don't get shirty man. I'm sure you've noticed as I have that there are a considerable number of christians who consider the bible in it's entirety as the word of god. You take Deuteronomy literally and it allows exactly that, doesn't it?
Originally posted by jaywillOk, I see what you're saying. I still don't understand why you would have any truck with a religion which ever prescribed stoning to death as a punishment for not being a virgin on marriage.Hey, don't get shirty man. I'm sure you've noticed as I have that there are a considerable number of christians who consider the bible in it's entirety as the word of god. You take Deuteronomy literally and it allows exactly that, doesn't it?
"Shirty?" Never heard that expression.
Sure, I also believe Deuteronomy to be part of ...[text shortened]... Do you think there was no room for discernment in difficult cases of rape then ?