@avalanchethecat saidYou're not an atheist sir. I hear you own a cardigan.
I suppose I'm an atheist, technically, but it still takes two of us to change the lightbulb. I'll just sit in the dark if the mrs can't be bothered to go and buy the replacement.
Sound and colour can be evidenced. God can not.
Why could not the blind say "Colour cannot be evidenced"?
Why could not the deaf man retort "Music, my dear fellow, cannot be evidenced"?
Couldn't the blind man regard as not trustworthy those who told him that blue WAS a color?
Couldn't the deaf man find foolish those holding up a sigh "Music IS real"?
@sonship saidFellow human beings he trusts can use their intellect and senses to convince him that sound and color are real, rather than their imagination.
@Ghost-of-a-DukeSound and colour can be evidenced. God can not.
Why could not the blind say "Colour cannot be evidenced"?
Why could not the deaf man retort "Music, my dear fellow, cannot be evidenced"?
Couldn't the blind man regard as not trustworthy those who told him that blue WAS a color?
Couldn't the deaf man find foolish those holding up a sigh "Music IS real"?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThat's a damn lie, it's just a knitted jacket.
You're not an atheist sir. I hear you own a cardigan.
Fellow human beings he trusts can use their intellect and senses to convince him that sound and color are real, rather than their imagination.
This is true. In fact they could tell him that they once were not able to use their eyes to see the color blue. In the case of the deaf man they might also assure him that they TOO were once not able to hear this music with their ears. But now they can.
Of course the blind man could feel slighted by this. He could react with resentment that what they say sounds like they think they are somehow superior to him.
The deaf man might also think "What makes you think you experience something that I cannot?"
The organ to substantiate the seeing may need healing. If the one whose time for healing is after the fortunate time of healing another has experienced, pride, suspicion, distrust, and resentment might hamper the willingness for the deaf man to grasp his turn at healing.
Isn't it true that the good news that healing is available may be received with skepticism, suspicioning the motive of anyone suggesting the need for healing of the substantiating organ?
Ie. " How come YOU can hear this music and I cannot? I reject that you are in any way superior to me."
Ie. " How come YOU can see this blue and I cannot? I am in no way inferior to you."
Does the possibility of this kind of hindrance (not the ONLY possible hindrance) exist?
@sonship saidLook, if I have an orange, I can convince a blind man that the orange exists. It is a tangible thing comprehendible to the senses. I can also describe the colour with my own eyes and if he were deaf also, the sound it makes when dropped on the desk. I could do none of these things with an imaginary God.
@Ghost-of-a-DukeFellow human beings he trusts can use their intellect and senses to convince him that sound and color are real, rather than their imagination.
This is true. In fact they could tell him that they once were not able to use their eyes to see the color blue. In the case of the deaf man they might also assure him that they TOO were once not ...[text shortened]... ld react with resentment that what they say sounds like they think they are somehow superior to him.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Okay Ghost.
But you have, you have, you have an organ (for lack of a better word) which can touch God and substantiate God. This is part of your total make up as a HUMAN BEING.
That organ, your human spirit, your praying organ, is damaged and comatose.
This is truth.
This is true truth.
We all have a human spirit (deeper than the human soul). And this human spirit can directly touch and substantiate God.
Thanks for reading anyway.
@sonship saidOne obvious flaw in your argument here is that there's no evidence that this 'praying organ' to which you refer even exists.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Okay Ghost.
But you have, you have, you have an organ (for lack of a better word) which can touch God and substantiate God. This is part of your total make up as a HUMAN BEING.
That organ, your human spirit, your praying organ, is damaged and comatose.
This is truth.
This is true truth.
We all have a human spirit (deeper than the human soul). And this human spirit can directly touch and substantiate God.
Thanks for reading anyway.
One obvious flaw in your argument here is that there's no evidence that this 'praying organ' to which you refer even exists.
This is like the proud blind man arguing "The flaw in your argument here is that there is no evidence that the eye exists."
Or this is like the stubborn proud deaf man protesting "The obvious flaw here is that there is no evidence that some hearing ear exists."
But there is hope. Some people may not know very much about the ability to pray and taste and touch God. But they do know that SOMETHING somewhere is missing in their life.
That's a start. Why some have this feeling more acutely then others, I do not know. Perhaps there is a TIME when it comes to them as a realization.
The sense of something missing in my human life can be the sense that a part of me seems not to be there. The deadened and comatose human spirit is deeper than the human soul. And that deadened damaged spirit of man needs to be "resurrected" by Christ.
The human spirit was meant to be the highest part of man. In the fall of man it became deadened, comatose and the soul arose to the top replacing the spirit.
This is not to say the soul is in any way not an important part of man. It surely is with its function of mind, emotion, and will. But that part that innermost human spirit was devalued and fallen in the sin of Adam taking the lower place.
That is not all. But that is enough for this post.
Since it is incomplete it will be easy of course for skeptical unbelievers to "point out" things wrong with the explanation.
@sonship saidNo, it's very different. I can poke a blindman in the eye, or he could poke himself in the eye. You can't deny the existence of the eyeball, it's a tangible fact.
@avalanchethecatOne obvious flaw in your argument here is that there's no evidence that this 'praying organ' to which you refer even exists.
This is like the proud blind man arguing "The flaw in your argument here is that there is no evidence that the eye exists."
Or this is like the stubborn proud deaf man protesting "The obvious flaw here is that th ...[text shortened]... acutely then others, I do not know. Perhaps there is a TIME when it comes to them as a realization.