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Originally posted by FreakyKBHAttacks on the character of a person, is the last defense of a man devoid of a sound argument!
Smuck, smuck, smuck. Now that I've accomplished that, I must remind you that your 'threads' are nothing more than lunatic rantings of a disenfranchised mind, thinly veiled pseudo-academia desperately wanting to be a real boy.
gil
Originally posted by FreakyKBHLike I said go smuck yourself , you idiot.
Smuck, smuck, smuck. Now that I've accomplished that, I must remind you that your 'threads' are nothing more than lunatic rantings of a disenfranchised mind, thinly veiled pseudo-academia desperately wanting to be a real boy.
As much as you want to see otherwise, the conspiracy is on the other side.
Originally posted by frogstompI don't know which scripture you want to charge him with a crime
without looking at the text is a bit like jumping off a diving board without checking to see if there's any water in the pool, isn't it?
Any impartial judge.
over, that was my point on saying you need to bring up the text
in quesiton. As far as making a judgment in concern, that also
needs to be addressed too, who is going to stand in judgment?
Anyone can be convicted by anyone else, but the authority to do
so, making it matter, or meaningful is another thing altogether.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayOk fair enough
I don't know which scripture you want to charge him with a crime
over, that was my point on saying you need to bring up the text
in quesiton. As far as making a judgment in concern, that also
needs to be addressed too, who is going to stand in judgment?
Anyone can be convicted by anyone else, but the authority to do
so, making it matter, or meaningful is another thing altogether.
Kelly
Joshua 6:21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.
for starters
Originally posted by frogstompLet's say he did. He wouldn't be much different from, say, Agamemnon--another exponent of noble values who might well be vilified today.
These Crimes
1. Conspiracy to commit crimes against peace
2. Planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression
3. War-Crimes
4. Crimes against humanity
Any impartial judgeIn Christian thinking, didn’t God subsist before all created things? As I understand it God created all things out of nothing (spoke Words if Genesis and John are correct)? If so, he’s the source of existence as I understand it and it might not be a stretch to say that his creation is dependent upon him being. The order of importance always starts with God and ends with a creation of his. For me this picture of God seems to suggest that power, authority and so on, all fall within God’s rightful place. No matter my opinion, I am subject and dependent upon God for everything.
So, when I try to criticize God, I have no choice but to use the very things that God gave me, to attack Him. In my argument, I am already in debt to Him for the ability to argue. This complicates things for me when I try to argue with Him. I could not use reason, logic, or mind to begin to form an opinion either supporting or contrary to God. Neither could I use breath, sound, and this space between us to transport any message to any separate being to listen to my complaint. I am a subordinate to God, no matter what I try to do, subject to His will. I try to remember this vantage point before I start suggesting that I am right at faulting God for anything.
So, before I would join in on suggesting that God or a person directed by God was guilty of any crime, I would ask under who’s authority and jurisdiction am I under, am I the judge, or do I hold the seat I do now, a slave?
As far as I know, I’m a slave (given the chair of son by accepting Christ). That being said, God is just in whatever He does by His very nature and position. Only a rebellious slave who hated His master would suggest that God was anything other than that. Each time we say that I am right and God is wrong, we attack his position, power, authority and so on… It does appear this is futile and the only way for peace, is submission to the only Will that is worth submitting to, God’s. (Beyond that He loves you, proof: Christ).
I do think that you should question things but I do not believe everyone will like the answer they find. Not many people want to be considered a slave since in American especially, we pride ourselves on freedom and independence so much, it’s iconic really. I’m finding it hard to accept at times my lower position, but I also am finding peace here as I am not warring with God anymore about these things. I suppose however, if he took something important from me, I would be upset still. I hope not for long.
(I am not a big forums guy... I hope I haven't broken a rule by writing too much 🙂
Originally posted by DanteindoubtDarn it , I ain't said one derogatory thing about god, yet.
In Christian thinking, didn’t God subsist before all created things? As I understand it God created all things out of nothing (spoke Words if Genesis and John are correct)? If so, he’s the source of existence as I understand it and it might not be a stretch to say that his creation is dependent upon him being. The order of importance always starts with ...[text shortened]... or long.
(I am not a big forums guy... I hope I haven't broken a rule by writing too much 🙂
The book of Joshua shows only what Joshua said and done. Any reference to god , might be his defense , however under section Article 6 ..........
Leaders, organizers, instigators and accomplices participating in the formulation or execution of a common plan or conspiracy to commit any of the foregoing crimes are responsible for all acts performed by any persons in execution of such plan.
so is he guilty of crimes against humanity?
Originally posted by DanteindoubtOf course, all these things are only true if he exists.
In Christian thinking, didn’t God subsist before all created things? As I understand it God created all things out of nothing (spoke Words if Genesis and John are correct)? If so, he’s the source of existence as I understand it and it might not be a stretch to say that his creation is dependent upon him being. The order of importance always starts with ...[text shortened]... or long.
(I am not a big forums guy... I hope I haven't broken a rule by writing too much 🙂
Not if he was directed by God to do so... since God's Law trumps all other's...
If he acted on his own will, then possibly yes.
I do not know enough about his will or God's to determine the truth in this matter...
Do you have a suggestion or opinion on this? Or have I missed it in this reading, (i didn't even read page two on this forum before I answered 🙁 - still a bit new to this... sorry...
Originally posted by DanteindoubtSorry but somebody saying god told him to do some vile act is a sign of insanity or in this case chicanery.
Not if he was directed by God to do so... since God's Law trumps all other's...
If he acted on his own will, then possibly yes.
I do not know enough about his will or God's to determine the truth in this matter...
Do you have a suggestion or opinion on this? Or have I missed it in this reading, (i didn't even read page two on this forum before I answered 🙁 - still a bit new to this... sorry...
What I want to know is did Joshua commit crimes against humanity?
Originally posted by frogstompI have completely failed at this 🙁
Sorry but somebody saying god told him to do some vile act is a sign of insanity or in this case chicanery.
What I want to know is did Joshua commit crimes against humanity?
last try:
You judged his act as vile and ungoddly. You became the judge here, that's your place.
To know this for sure we have to know if God told him to do it or not. However I said, I do not know what God's will was in this case. I do know that God does what he wants. If he wants to wipe away mankind with a flood - he's done that. If he wants to have people follow satan and other fallen angels to hell for not having faith in him, he can do that too. I cannot judge God without condeming myself - as I pointed out already!
So you challenge the authority of this man in his actions. That's fine, we should to be fair to our reason. But what evidence do we have now to tell us what his will and God's will was in this case?
It seems you want someone to say, he commited a crime against humanity... What do you gain from this? What are you getting at? Can't you just say it without having someone else fall into the suggestion you are leaving out?
(This is not intended to sound like yelling or anything, I'm just asking... thanks for the conversation by the way).
Originally posted by DanteindoubtI haven't judged him , Im asking you if he commited crimes against humanity. And god has nothing to do with it.
I have completely failed at this 🙁
last try:
You judged his act as vile and ungoddly. You became the judge here, that's your place.
To know this for sure we have to know if God told him to do it or not. However I said, I do not know what God's will was in this case. I do know that God does what he wants. If he wants to wipe away mankind with a ...[text shortened]... und like yelling or anything, I'm just asking... thanks for the conversation by the way).