Originally posted by twhitehead
I disagree. I find too many people are all too ready to declare that imaginary beings are impervious to scientific investigation. Why is that? Surely anything is subject to at least some scientific investigation especially when its existence has been proposed. To simply state that 'there is no way to prove' implies that the object in question has a specia ...[text shortened]... invisible entity then I am being incoherent and my proposed entity cannot exist as defined.
The property is the Dynamism/ Supernatural Dynamic Existence that caused everything at will. For the philosopher the existence of “god” is not a problem or an incoherent and/ or irrational idea, because “god” is defined as existence and identifies all real being “with god”. Therefore “god” cannot be proved or non proved by reason and it can solely be postulated as a practical necessity.
I see “god” as an Idea that goes beyond all these known popular forms of faith that they are attributed to it by the plexus of the religions. This Idea is related to the illusoriness of plurality, and it is related also to the monistic unity of everything, thus this so called “supreme being” is itself indescribable, limitless, spaceless, timeless, causeless and the source and substance of all reality. The theist philosophers even dare to state that “god” is “conscious”, “intelligent” etc, and they do it just because some of the main problems are still unanswered, ie: what is the relation between Body and Soul? Well, although I anyway dismiss the idea of “god”, the idea of “Soul” can be easily backed up by the idea of “god” -and we still cannot dismiss by scientific finds and evidence the idea of “Soul”. We still do not feel exactly in our playground when we are talking about these issues. Everything goes, that is.
But the most spectacular aspect is that, although we atheists we use to back up our opinions in full with rationalism and with scientific facts and evidence, we are still unable to prove scientifically that something that “it does not exist” it does not in fact exist! Therefore I am a bit amazed by the fact that, although the theory regarding the existence of “god” is fully exposed, the scientists are yet not ready to offer an holistic refutation of this idea. Of course I think it ‘s just not enough to offer as our primal line the claim “…oh well we anyway know that the pink unicorns do not exist”.
So I think that these Ideas, which they are causing the miscellaneous religious beliefs, are neither incoherent nor illogical. Also, the Idea of “god” is quite well defined. As a metaphysical realist I can bring up quite easily the counter-idea that “god” does not exist, however I cannot back it up with scientific finds and evidence -and this is the reason why the issue remains open.
But if you have facts, then yes my friend, I would be glad to see you sharing them with me😵