1. Standard memberDasa
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    Last May, gruesome images of 13-year-old Hamza al-Khatib's mutilated body stunned the international community. Here's how the New York Times described the footage at the time:

    Video posted online shows his battered, purple face. His skin is scrawled with cuts, gashes, deep burns and bullet wounds that would probably have injured but not killed. His jaw and kneecaps are shattered, according to an unidentified narrator, and his penis chopped off.

    "These are the reforms of the treacherous Bashar," the narrator says. "Where are human rights? Where are the international criminal tribunals?"

    Human rights activists claimed that the boy had been arrested at a protest in southern Syria, tortured to death, and handed over to his family in return for their silence. Syria's state-run media, for its part, contended that Hamza died from gunshot wounds during an attack by armed groups on Syrian forces, and that Bashar al-Assad met with the boy's family to express his condolences as soon as authorities were able to identify the corpse.
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    ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION but a violent and oppressive ideology and political system meant to put fear into the hearts of all people - and the word God is used in their doctrine to deceive the people into believing it is a religion.

    This is the violent oppressive and disgusting nature of Islam - and this disgusting conduct has been the backbone of Islam for 14 centuries since the murdering and torturing and raping and paedophile and animal killing false self proclaimed prophet Mohammed - compiled the false doctrine of the Quaran.

    Any person who accepts or supports or defends Islam is criminal - and this is not opinion but fact - because you may research the history of the violent activities of Muslims in the name of Islam when Muslim invaders killed and tortured and raped and plundered their way into the history books........and are still doing it today.

    DISGUSTING ISLAM.
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    08 Jun '12 09:57
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Last May, gruesome images of 13-year-old Hamza al-Khatib's mutilated body stunned the international community. Here's how the New York Times described the footage at the time:

    Video posted online shows his battered, purple face. His skin is scrawled with cuts, gashes, deep burns and bullet wounds that would probably have injured but not killed. His jaw and ...[text shortened]... eir way into the history books........and are still doing it today.

    DISGUSTING ISLAM.
    On a similar thread you started recently, I asked you a question but you didn't reply properly. I live in the biggest Muslim majority country in the world and what you claim to be "common place" here simply isn't true. Your story about the 13 year old girl would cause absolute outrage here. What is your definition of "common place"? Have you ever visited, lived or worked in a Muslim country? What are your pronouncements on "Islamic culture" based on?
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    Originally posted by Dasa
    Human rights activists claimed that the boy had been arrested at a protest in southern Syria, tortured to death, and handed over to his family in return for their silence. Syria's state-run media, for its part, contended that Hamza died from gunshot wounds during an attack by armed groups on Syrian forces, and that Bashar al-Assad met with the boy's family to express his condolences as soon as authorities were able to identify the corpse.
    You are chalking up Bashar al-Assad Baathist dictatorship and the civil strife/government repression there to "Islam"?
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    More hate speech from Dasa. Not acceptable. Ought to be banned.
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    08 Jun '12 12:03
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Last May, gruesome images of 13-year-old Hamza al-Khatib's mutilated body stunned the international community. Here's how the New York Times described the footage at the time:

    Video posted online shows his battered, purple face. His skin is scrawled with cuts, gashes, deep burns and bullet wounds that would probably have injured but not killed. His jaw and ...[text shortened]... eir way into the history books........and are still doing it today.

    DISGUSTING ISLAM.
    Any person who accepts or supports or defends Islam is criminal

    Remember this quote from his Divine Grace you failed to answer in another thread?

    If you purchase the Bhagavad-gita, if you purchase the Bible, if you purchase the Qur'an, or... There are so many literatures. They are also authorised. (Lecture on Bhagavad-gita, 16/12/66)


    How do you reconcile your views with the quote above?
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    08 Jun '12 12:06
    Originally posted by Dasa
    ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION but a violent and oppressive ideology and political system meant to put fear into the hearts of all people - and the word God is used in their doctrine to deceive the people into believing it is a religion.
    Aren't all organized religions like that?
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    08 Jun '12 12:13
    Originally posted by Vartiovuori
    Aren't all organized religions like that?
    (1 John 4:18-19) . . .There is no fear in love, but perfect love throws fear outside,
    because fear exercises a restraint. Indeed, he that is under fear has not been made
    perfect in love.  As for us, we love, because he first loved us.
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    08 Jun '12 12:181 edit
    Originally posted by finnegan
    More hate speech from Dasa. Not acceptable. Ought to be banned.
    And in the UK, an offence punishable by up to 7 years imprisonment. You'd think RHP would be more concerned about their legal and reputational liability for allowing this to go unchecked.

    But you raise in my mind the question of whether we should we ask for Dasa to be banned? He has no intention of responding to any of our posts constructively, despite FMFs valiant efforts. He has 'previous', when he advocated genocide against Muslims before Christmas.

    Do we gain anything from him continuing to post here? If I were new to this site, I think I would be driven away from it by this type of posting. So maybe we lose more by allowing it to continue.

    FMF & others - your thoughts?
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    08 Jun '12 12:27
    Originally posted by Rank outsider
    FMF - your thoughts?
    Dasa is entitled to his opinion. Personally I think the public humiliation that he brings upon himself, as a feeble-minded hatemonger, is instructive; just as RJHinds' attention-seeking attempts to support Dasa have been instructive about his mind map. If the web site wants to ban Dasa, that is for them to decide. But as a general rule, I don't want to be protected from certain points of view on account of the fact that others dislike those views.
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    08 Jun '12 12:291 edit
    Originally posted by Rank outsider
    And in the UK, an offence punishable by up to 7 years imprisonment. You'd think RHP would be more concerned about their legal and reputational liability for allowing this to go unchecked.

    But you raise in my mind the question of whether we should we ask for Dasa to be banned? He has no intention of responding to any of our posts constructively, de posting. So maybe we lose more by allowing it to continue.

    FMF & others - your thoughts?
    I agree. That is why I use the term "Hate Speech." It is not a trivial matter and not a light turn of phrase. I have posted to admin and I have made this point on the forum several times. Maybe I just think it is a point of principle to ensure that the point keeps being made.

    It is possible to defend Islam against charges made in these terms and in the past I have done exactly that on this forum and on the Debates forum, even though I am an atheist and a feminist, but the posting of informed responses is not worth the effort with such posts as these as there is no prospect of reasoned debate.
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    08 Jun '12 12:31
    Originally posted by Rank outsider
    If I were new to this site, I think I would be driven away from it by this type of posting. So maybe we lose more by allowing it to continue.
    When I first came to this forum - pre-Dasa days - there were a few regular Christian posters posting some similar stuff, on a fairly regular basis. [1] It didn't drive me away. [2] Nobody called for their banning, as far as I recall.
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    08 Jun '12 12:36
    Originally posted by finnegan
    It is possible to defend Islam against charges made in these terms and in the past I have done exactly that on this forum and on the Debates forum, even though I am an atheist and a feminist, but the posting of informed responses is not worth the effort with such posts as these as there is no prospect of reasoned debate.
    Your posts in this vein - i.e. "the posting of informed responses" - have been an absolute credit to this forum and a valuable addition to its archive of ideas and arguments.
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    08 Jun '12 12:43
    Originally posted by FMF
    Dasa is entitled to his opinion. Personally I think the public humiliation that he brings upon himself, as a feeble-minded hatemonger, is instructive; just as RJHinds' attention-seeking attempts to support Dasa have been instructive about his mind map. If the web site wants to ban Dasa, that is for them to decide. But as a general rule, I don't want to be protected from certain points of view on account of the fact that others dislike those views.
    Every community - including online communities - is entitled to establish rules of acceptable conduct. There are rules of that kind even for this forum.

    In the UK there is in addition a legal requirement to do so.

    Dasa is not content to express his opinion. He opens repeated threads with offensive titles that can only imply, to an outside eye, that this is considered acceptable within the RHP community. The responses are gratifyingly negative but these are not debates since there is no reasoning with him.

    I am an atheist and a feminist with many reasons to disagree with Islam. However I am not tolerant of Islamaphobia and its impact on our political lives has been entirely baleful. When we can get hate speech off the forum maybe we can enter a more interesting and informed discussion on the many issues raised by Islam and by the attitudes to Islam.

    Hate speech is not an opinion. It is a public, political act with harmful consequences.
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    08 Jun '12 12:481 edit
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Hate speech is not an opinion. It is a public, political act with harmful consequences.
    Here at RHP, I have been accused of "hating" other posters, of being a "hater" and a "hatemonger", and even of using "hate speech". Why didn't you seek to have me banned?
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    08 Jun '12 12:48
    Originally posted by FMF
    Dasa is entitled to his opinion. Personally I think the public humiliation that he brings upon himself, as a feeble-minded hatemonger, is instructive; just as RJHinds' attention-seeking attempts to support Dasa have been instructive about his mind map. If the web site wants to ban Dasa, that is for them to decide. But as a general rule, I don't want to be protected from certain points of view on account of the fact that others dislike those views.
    OK - you have motivated me to post something on Dasa's views on Islam that I have been pondering for a while, even though I know it will not make a jot of difference to Dasa.
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