Divegeester's Judgement Quandry

Dive, we're going to discuss this a bit more.
I intend to do so though in a way that constantly exalts Christ and edifies the believers.

Your late comment to me:

The quandary sonship is that your version of Jesus and Christianity has no credibility; it's the same quandary that KellyJay an the other hell-fire doctrine adherents find themselves in here. Trying to preach-your-preach to people who find your idea of 'god' to be a monstrous tyrant. Eternal suffering destroys the gospel don't do see that? The persecution you probably feel you get in here is not because of the gospel or the name of Jesus (which are the only legitimate causes of persecution from a spiritual perspective); no you get challenged because your version of it all is ghastly, it paints the eternally merciful Christ as a flame-throwing vindictive sadist.

So you say you cannot see this.

So be it.

Trying to preach-your-preach to people who find your idea of 'god' to be a monstrous tyrant. Eternal suffering destroys the gospel don't do see that?

" ... the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with the angels of His power, in flaming fire,

Rendering vengeance to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

They will pay the penalty of eternal destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His strength when He comes to be glorified in His saints and to be marveled at in all those who have believed ... " (2 Thess. 1:7b-10a)

While we wait for Divegeester to formulate his rationale of why I should be ashamed of the Bible's words (or of a reasonable interpretation of those words) let me say this.

I expect that I and every person coming to Christ will be eventuall thoroughly CONFORMED to the image of Christ.

Conformed means I will see as He sees, feel as He feels, share in His attitude, taste, preferences. To be conformed to His image, I expect to have MY heart in full harmony with Christ's heart.

What HE loves I expect to love.
What HE hates I expect to hate.

Here is where I know our destiny as believers is to be CONFORMED to Jesus Christ in our souls.

"Because those whom He foreknew, He also predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the Firstborn among many brothers." (Romans 8:29)

@sonship said

Are you saying I should be ashamed of believing the words of Jesus Christ ?
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@sonship said
Explain to us WHY I should be ASHAMED of those words and distance myself from the thought of BELIEVING what they say.

@sonship said
While we wait for Divegeester to formulate his rationale

@divegeester said
I've been at work putting in an intensive office based shift which book-ended by a 90 minute drive in and home again.

How many people on the street have you spoken to today, have to been warning them of how the Jesus who loves them so much will personally torture them for eternity if they reject his love, which is vicariously transmitted by your non-existent street evangelism?

@divegeester

Of course not, you are being silly now.

" ... Go away from Me, you who are cursed into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels." (v.41)

"And they shall go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." (v.46)

@divegeester

You didn't intend these words to be shaming words ? -

Trying to preach-your-preach to people who find your idea of 'god' to be a monstrous tyrant. Eternal suffering destroys the gospel don't do see that? The persecution you probably feel you get in here is not because of the gospel or the name of Jesus (which are the only legitimate causes of persecution from a spiritual perspective);

@sonship said
@divegeester

You didn't intend these words to be shaming words ? -

[quote] Trying to preach-your-preach to people who find your idea of 'god' to be a monstrous tyrant. Eternal suffering destroys the gospel don't do see that? The persecution you probably feel you get in here is not because of the gospel or the name of Jesus (which are the only legitimate causes of pers ...[text shortened]... judgment for the Devil and his angels and those who follow them is monsterously TYRANTICAL of God ?

It seems that sonship is providing bible scripture to support a supposed eternal hell.

Dive has said that he would discard the entire New Testament before believing those scriptures could actually be true.

It's a simple matter of believing or refuting what the bible teaches about hell, eternal hell, lake of fire, etc.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Are you ashamed about your flippant approach towards suicide?

@divegeester

I've been at work putting in an intensive office based shift which was book-ended each way by a 90 minute drive in and home again.

How many people on the street have you spoken to today, have you been warning them of how the Jesus who loves them so much will personally torture them for eternity if they reject his love, which is vicariously transmitted by your non-existent street evangelism?

@sonship said
@divegeester

Of course not, you are being silly now.

Of course not. Okay then.

Should I be ashamed of interpreting His words in, let's say, Matt. 25:41 and verse 46 of the same chapter?

" ... Go away from Me, you who are cursed into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels." (v.41)

C ...[text shortened]... that there is no REASON for me to be ashamed of this kind of interpretation of Christ's words there.

@sonship said
@divegeester

You didn't intend these words to be shaming words ? -

[quote] Trying to preach-your-preach to people who find your idea of 'god' to be a monstrous tyrant. Eternal suffering destroys the gospel don't do see that? The persecution you probably feel you get in here is not because of the gospel or the name of Jesus (which are the only legitimate causes of pers ...[text shortened]... judgment for the Devil and his angels and those who follow them is monsterously TYRANTICAL of God ?