21 Aug 05
Originally posted by Bosse de NageYeah, I think so. From a Christian perspective, anyway. 'Course, I've been trying to point out it is a misplaced mindset rooted in a worship of the Sun. Haven't been doing too well, though. :-/
Many people seem to think that Christians worship Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Can this statement be accepted at face value?
21 Aug 05
Originally posted by David CChristians as a whole worship God through the Son, since its inpossable to be in Gods presence, because we are inpure. Also its fair to say that Jesus and God are "one", just as a tree and a branch are one.
Yeah, I think so. From a Christian perspective, anyway. 'Course, I've been trying to point out it is a misplaced mindset rooted in a worship of the Sun. Haven't been doing too well, though. :-/
21 Aug 05
Originally posted by flyUnityNice tap dance. You should set that to music and sell tickets.
Christians as a whole worship God through the Son, since its inpossable to be in Gods presence, because we are inpure. Also its fair to say that Jesus and God are "one", just as a tree and a branch are one.
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22 Aug 05
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Originally posted by Palynka" I see it as both"
Do you see God as the Father or God as the Trinity?
Huh?🙄....That I believe is one reason so many deny Christianity...the Trinity just cannot be explained. At least not in a paletable way...
Jesus is both the son and God...at best I am told to accept it by faith...I believe faith requires some understanding. Some logic behind it.
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22 Aug 05
Originally posted by checkbaiterI do believe Jesus is the mediator between God and man. But is he both?
" I see it as both"
Huh?🙄....That I believe is one reason so many deny Christianity...the Trinity just cannot be explained. At least not in a paletable way...
Jesus is both the son and God...at best I am told to accept it by faith...I believe faith requires some understanding. Some logic behind it.
If God is A ...and Jesus is B...and man is C...
Then you are saying A=B...but C can only be in the presence of B not A...
Even mathematically it does't fit.😕
22 Aug 05
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Originally posted by checkbaiteryea look at it this way, God as the tree, Jesus the vine, and us the fruit. Jesus is the meditater for us to God, as the vine connects the fruit to the tree, and the vine is part of the tree.
" I see it as both"
Huh?🙄....That I believe is one reason so many deny Christianity...the Trinity just cannot be explained. At least not in a paletable way...
Jesus is both the son and God...at best I am told to accept it by faith...I believe faith requires some understanding. Some logic behind it.
Jesus himself said that he is "one" with God, and he also said that he is the son of God, what part of it do you not understand?
22 Aug 05
Originally posted by flyUnityBut who is the Father then? Why is he a branch and not the tree?
yea look at it this way, God as the tree, Jesus the vine, and us the fruit. Jesus is the meditater for us to God, as the vine connects the fruit to the tree, and the vine is part of the tree.
Jesus himself said that he is "one" with God, and he also said that he is the son of God, what part of it do you not understand?
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22 Aug 05
Originally posted by PalynkaMy question is honest as well....since I consider myself a Christian. I believe Jesus is the son of God but the trinity is beyond understanding.
My question was honest, since I think I understand the words of the concept of the Trinity, but perhaps not what they entail (the role of each and their equivalence in importance).
What I am told to accept is that God is Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
That they are co-equal...yet Jesus by his own words also says...
John 14:28
28 "You have heard Me say to you, 'I am going away and coming back to you.' If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, 'I am going to the Father,' for My Father is greater than I.
(NKJ)
How can they be co-equal if the Father is greater?..and the bible cannot contradict itself, else none of it is true...of course I don't believe it does, because I have yet to see a clear verse where Jesus says he is the father...only trinitatians make that claim.🙂
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Originally posted by checkbaiterSo you don't believe in the Trinity? Of the greater Christian churches, I think only Mormonism (TCJCLDS) and Jehovah's Witnesses do not accept it.
My question is honest as well....since I consider myself a Christian. I believe Jesus is the son of God but the trinity is beyond understanding.
What I am told to accept is that God is Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
That they are co-equal...yet Jesus by his own words also says...
John 14:28
28 "You have heard Me say to you, 'I am going away and coming ...[text shortened]... et to see a clear verse where Jesus says he is the father...only trinitatians make that claim.🙂
What form of Christianism do you follow?
Edit: incorrect use of the word religion
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22 Aug 05
Originally posted by PalynkaI am non denominational...am a Christian who belives in one God not three...one Lord, the son of God Jesus Christ...and the Holy Spirit is simply another name for God...again by Jesus own words..
So you don't believe in the Trinity? Of the greater Christian churches, I think only Mormonism (TCJCLDS) and Jehovah's Witnesses do not accept it.
What form of Christianism do you follow?
Edit: incorrect use of the word religion
John 4:24
24 "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
(NKJ)
and Old Testament....
Ps 99:9
9 Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at His holy hill; for the LORD our God is holy.
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