1. Standard memberDoctorScribbles
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    13 May '07 18:59
    Do people in heaven have free will?
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    13 May '07 19:09
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Do people in heaven have free will?
    If they are truly "resurrected" they will. If, on the other hand, they do not have free will then can one really say they are the same person, and if they are not the same person then have they really been resurrected?
  3. Standard memberDoctorScribbles
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    13 May '07 19:59
    Originally posted by whodey
    If they are truly "resurrected" they will
    But there's no evil in heaven, correct?
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    13 May '07 20:20
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Do people in heaven have free will?
    Do they have bodies in heaven? If you don't have a body but have free will isn't that like having snow shovel in Hawaii?
  5. Standard memberKellyJay
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    15 May '07 07:41
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    But there's no evil in heaven, correct?
    What does evil have to do with free will, you think it must always be
    available, or that it must always be in someone somewhere for there
    to be freewill? Personally I think it will always be available, but it will
    be thought of as completely uninteresting and worthless in heaven.
    Why would anyone take that route knowing what happened the last
    time someone introduced it into the universe?

    Simply having a choice to do a bad thing there does not automatically
    mean everyone confronted with that choice will do the bad thing.
    Kelly
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    15 May '07 07:54
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Why would anyone take that route knowing what happened the last
    time someone introduced it into the universe?
    So if God had taken the trouble to explain the possible outcomes to Satan then we would have been saved all this trouble.
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    15 May '07 16:392 edits
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    So if God had taken the trouble to explain the possible outcomes to Satan then we would have been saved all this trouble.
    How do you know that it was not explained to Lucifer? We know for certain that it was explained to Adam and Eve, whatever good that did. It reminds me of how at one time many thought that communism and atheism was "the way" for mankind to live their lives. How much explaining do you think could have persauded them that their ideas were faulty? It seems to me that the best approach was simply to let them have their way and watch them fall flat on their respective faces and is what happened with the good old USS or R. It seems to me that once mankind has had their way about things by living their lives seperate from their Creator we can all look back and will have learned a hard lesson of somekind that we will try and avoid in the future....or at least one can hope.
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    15 May '07 16:41
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    What does evil have to do with free will, you think it must always be
    available, or that it must always be in someone somewhere for there
    to be freewill? Personally I think it will always be available, but it will
    be thought of as completely uninteresting and worthless in heaven.
    Why would anyone take that route knowing what happened the last
    time some ...[text shortened]... does not automatically
    mean everyone confronted with that choice will do the bad thing.
    Kelly
    I agree. If there is true free will then sin will always be an option just like it is an option for me to stick a fork in my eye just for kicks. Hopefully one will eventually at some point see that both activities are equally as beneficial, however.
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    15 May '07 17:08
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    What does evil have to do with free will, you think it must always be
    available, or that it must always be in someone somewhere for there
    to be freewill? Personally I think it will always be available, but it will
    be thought of as completely uninteresting and worthless in heaven.
    Why would anyone take that route knowing what happened the last
    time some ...[text shortened]... does not automatically
    mean everyone confronted with that choice will do the bad thing.
    Kelly
    Too bad we couldn't have just started out like that, eh? Would have saved a lot of pain and suffering.
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    16 May '07 15:44
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    Too bad we couldn't have just started out like that, eh? Would have saved a lot of pain and suffering.
    Agreed
    Kelly
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    16 May '07 18:10
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Agreed
    The very fact that you acknowledge the truth of SwissGambit's observation and agree with it should
    beg a number of questions about the attitudes you hold about who God is and what He is like.

    Nemesio
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    16 May '07 18:14
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    What does evil have to do with free will, you think it must always be
    available, or that it must always be in someone somewhere for there
    to be freewill?
    Why did God plant the forbidden tree in the Garden?
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    16 May '07 18:58
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Why did God plant the forbidden tree in the Garden?
    To show us all how much he loves us, by arranging an event that resulted in untold suffering for thousands of thousands of years, all so that in the end he could come to earth and suffer alongside us for three decades and then get whisked back to heaven. Eventually, once he's decided that there's been enough untold suffering, he'll pick a few of us to hang out with for eternity, while the rest of us spend that time suffering even more.

    It's about love, man.
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    17 May '07 07:39
    Originally posted by Nemesio
    The very fact that you acknowledge the truth of SwissGambit's observation and agree with it should
    beg a number of questions about the attitudes you hold about who God is and what He is like.

    Nemesio
    I'm sorry you have a point? You don't like the attitude I have when
    I say I agree with someone, or is it you just don't like me?
    Kelly
  15. Standard memberKellyJay
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    17 May '07 07:391 edit
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Why did God plant the forbidden tree in the Garden?
    I suggest you ask God.

    Finding a wallet with ID and money does not mean that I am forced
    to take the money and not give it all back to the owner. The fact that
    that tree was there, only means that the tree was there as far as I'm
    concern. What happen with it did not have to occur, but it did.
    Kelly
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