1. Standard memberNemesio
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    21 May '07 20:35
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    I'm sorry you have a point? You don't like the attitude I have when
    I say I agree with someone, or is it you just don't like me?
    Kelly
    If you, I, and Swissgambit -- three people with different backgrounds,
    experiences, and religious perspectives, can see that the way in which
    Creation putatively happened according to Judeo-Christian perspective
    can easily be improved, you don't feel that this demands a certain
    reevaluation of either a) the nature of God; and/or b) the way in which
    we might be incorrectly interpretting the Bible?

    Nemesio
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    22 May '07 14:52
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Do people in heaven have free will?
    DISCLAIMER: I can't think of any definitive Church teaching or overwhelming consensus (or treatment) in Church Tradition, so my answer is just my theological opinion/philosophical viewpoint.

    Answer: Yes.
  3. London
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    22 May '07 14:53
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    But there's no evil in heaven, correct?
    Correct. But, as KJ points out, "so what"? "Could" is not the same as "would" (and, before you go down that route, "could" is not the same as non-zero probability either).
  4. Standard memberKellyJay
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    22 May '07 15:53
    Originally posted by Nemesio
    If you, I, and Swissgambit -- three people with different backgrounds,
    experiences, and religious perspectives, can see that the way in which
    Creation putatively happened according to Judeo-Christian perspective
    can easily be improved, you don't feel that this demands a certain
    reevaluation of either a) the nature of God; and/or b) the way in which
    we might be incorrectly interpretting the Bible?

    Nemesio
    My attitude has what to do with anything you just said? I agree we can
    look a scripture and come up with a wrong idea about what it means.
    I have always had that opinion, we have talked about so many
    different things and look at them differently that really is a no brainer.
    My complaint against you was that you treat people differently, you
    got on me for something you refuse to get on other people for when
    they do far worse. You later responded to several of my posts in other
    post too, I was starting to feel like you were just looking for my
    name to complain. Having debated you for a long time, I did not think
    that was how you normally behaved, but I was feeling it.
    Kelly
  5. Standard memberKellyJay
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    22 May '07 15:56
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    So if God had taken the trouble to explain the possible outcomes to Satan then we would have been saved all this trouble.
    Do you feel the need to explain everything when you say, don't
    do this or that? Besides when it came to Adam and Even they were
    warned that the day they ate of that tree they were going to die.

    What Satan knew, I have no idea.
    Kelly
  6. Standard memberAThousandYoung
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    23 May '07 08:47
    Kelly, you wrote

    Why would anyone take that route knowing what happened the last
    time someone introduced it into the universe?


    It sounds as if you believe people only due evil due to ignorance of the consequences. Is that the case?
  7. Standard memberKellyJay
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    23 May '07 14:04
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Kelly, you wrote

    Why would anyone take that route knowing what happened the last
    time someone introduced it into the universe?


    It sounds as if you believe people only due evil due to ignorance of the consequences. Is that the case?
    No, in our corruptible bodies now even knowing consequences does not
    stop us from doing evil things I'm sorry to say.
    Kelly
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    23 May '07 14:12
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Do you feel the need to explain everything when you say, don't
    do this or that? Besides when it came to Adam and Even they were
    warned that the day they ate of that tree they were going to die.

    What Satan knew, I have no idea.
    Kelly
    Sounds like God lied. Also Adam and Eve don't seem to have had the mental capacity to understand that or they simply didn't believe God, either way it boils down to him not having actually told them.
  9. Standard memberKellyJay
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    23 May '07 14:51
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Sounds like God lied. Also Adam and Eve don't seem to have had the mental capacity to understand that or they simply didn't believe God, either way it boils down to him not having actually told them.
    They are dead are they not?
    Kelly
  10. Subscribersonhouse
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    26 May '07 23:01
    If there is no evil in heaven are there shades of good at least?
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