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    15 Sep '07 06:581 edit
    ...the whole truth, nothing but the truth, so help you God?

    Is this really the question being asked in a courtroom? 'Cause, I gotta
    tell you, that last bit's a bit lame, isn't it? If I'm an atheist, it means crap
    to me if God's wrath be upon me or not.

    Why not just ask: "Do you promise to tell the truth, the whole truth, and
    nothing but the truth, and should we catch you lying you'll accept a
    proportionally insane and harsh punishment"?

    That should do it, me thinks. 😏
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    15 Sep '07 10:50
    Originally posted by stocken
    ...the whole truth, nothing but the truth, so help you God?

    Is this really the question being asked in a courtroom? 'Cause, I gotta
    tell you, that last bit's a bit lame, isn't it? If I'm an atheist, it means crap
    to me if God's wrath be upon me or not.

    Why not just ask: "Do you promise to tell the truth, the whole truth, and
    nothing but the truth ...[text shortened]... ept a
    proportionally insane and harsh punishment"?

    That should do it, me thinks. 😏
    The really weird thing is that Jesus specifically tells us not to swear oaths in the New Testament.
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    15 Sep '07 10:55
    Originally posted by stocken
    ...the whole truth, nothing but the truth, so help you God?

    Is this really the question being asked in a courtroom? 'Cause, I gotta
    tell you, that last bit's a bit lame, isn't it? If I'm an atheist, it means crap
    to me if God's wrath be upon me or not.

    Why not just ask: "Do you promise to tell the truth, the whole truth, and
    nothing but the truth ...[text shortened]... ept a
    proportionally insane and harsh punishment"?

    That should do it, me thinks. 😏
    only in america... in portugal it's only "do you swear to tell the truth?", and they explain the legal repercussion that will happen if you lie
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    16 Sep '07 19:29
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    The really weird thing is that Jesus specifically tells us not to swear oaths in the New Testament.
    Nothing is weird when it comes to religion, didn't you know?
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    16 Sep '07 19:30
    Originally posted by serigado
    only in america... in portugal it's only "do you swear to tell the truth?", and they explain the legal repercussion that will happen if you lie
    Now, see, that's how it should be done, in my opinion.
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    16 Sep '07 19:34
    Originally posted by serigado
    only in america... in portugal it's only "do you swear to tell the truth?", and they explain the legal repercussion that will happen if you lie
    Coolness. I agree, that's the right way to do it.
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    16 Sep '07 21:08
    Originally posted by stocken
    ...the whole truth, nothing but the truth, so help you God?

    Is this really the question being asked in a courtroom? 'Cause, I gotta
    tell you, that last bit's a bit lame, isn't it? If I'm an atheist, it means crap
    to me if God's wrath be upon me or not.

    Why not just ask: "Do you promise to tell the truth, the whole truth, and
    nothing but the truth ...[text shortened]... ept a
    proportionally insane and harsh punishment"?

    That should do it, me thinks. 😏
    Here's how it works in the UK: http://www.cjsonline.gov.uk/juror/walkthrough/the_court/faqs/index.html#2277
    The laws in Germany are quite similar. It would really surprise me if the US doesn't allow atheists to give an affirmation instead of an oath.
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    16 Sep '07 21:51
    Originally posted by Nordlys
    Here's how it works in the UK: http://www.cjsonline.gov.uk/juror/walkthrough/the_court/faqs/index.html#2277
    The laws in Germany are quite similar. It would really surprise me if the US doesn't allow atheists to give an affirmation instead of an oath.
    Affirmations are allowed if the witness desires for any reason not to swear an oath.
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    16 Sep '07 22:501 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Affirmations are allowed if the witness desires for any reason not to swear an oath.
    Well look who's back. Hello!
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    17 Sep '07 01:071 edit
    Originally posted by stocken
    ...the whole truth, nothing but the truth, so help you God?

    Is this really the question being asked in a courtroom? 'Cause, I gotta
    tell you, that last bit's a bit lame, isn't it? If I'm an atheist, it means crap
    to me if God's wrath be upon me or not.

    Why not just ask: "Do you promise to tell the truth, the whole truth, and
    nothing but the truth ept a
    proportionally insane and harsh punishment"?

    That should do it, me thinks. 😏
    So if there be a God then are you suggesting that he is far more longsuffering and merciful in retaliation to sins such as lying and pergury than the state? After all, when is the last time you got struck by lightning because you lied?
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    17 Sep '07 01:13
    Originally posted by stocken
    ...the whole truth, nothing but the truth, so help you God?

    Is this really the question being asked in a courtroom? 'Cause, I gotta
    tell you, that last bit's a bit lame, isn't it? If I'm an atheist, it means crap
    to me if God's wrath be upon me or not.

    Why not just ask: "Do you promise to tell the truth, the whole truth, and
    nothing but the truth ...[text shortened]... ept a
    proportionally insane and harsh punishment"?

    That should do it, me thinks. 😏
    I like that too, because of my religious beliefs on making oaths to God.
    Kelly
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    17 Sep '07 01:13
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    The really weird thing is that Jesus specifically tells us not to swear oaths in the New Testament.
    I agree.
    Kelly
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    17 Sep '07 01:15
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Affirmations are allowed if the witness desires for any reason not to swear an oath.
    Hope your doing well, was wondering about you. Glad to see you back!
    Kelly
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    17 Sep '07 04:211 edit
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Hope your doing well, was wondering about you. Glad to see you back!
    Kelly
    I suspect he's not really back. I think he comes back occasionally when he gets drunk. He's a sort of banshee or something.
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    17 Sep '07 06:38
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    The really weird thing is that Jesus specifically tells us not to swear oaths in the New Testament.
    Some of my ancestors were Quakers and I believe they refused to take oaths in court because of what the Bible says.
    It just reminds me how silly religious people can get. The Quakers were imprisoned regularly for trying to be more Christian than the Christians who were imprisoning them. Don't forget that the religion is based on love and all that....
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