1. Donationkirksey957
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    16 Dec '07 04:50
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PEOPLE_FRANCO_ZEFFIRELLI?SITE=KYLOU&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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    Originally posted by kirksey957
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PEOPLE_FRANCO_ZEFFIRELLI?SITE=KYLOU&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
    I think the AP ripped this story off from the movie Dogma.

    Also, is this the outfit he wears when he gives speeches on the virtue of charity:
    But Benedict has taken to wearing some eye-stopping outfits in his public appearances, including a red velvet cape trimmed with ermine, a fur-trimmed stocking cap that some first mistook for a Santa Claus hat, and bright red Prada loafers.

    Velvet, fur and Prada? As if his pimped out SUV wasn't flashy enough. Charity, my ass. See if I ever give a dime to that molester-harboring bastion of hypocrisy.
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    http://www.saksfifthavenue.com/main/ProductDetail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524446177840

    Bright red Prada loafers: $425




    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12324a.htm

    "The vow of poverty may generally be defined as the promise made to God of a certain constant renunciation of temporal goods, in order to follow Christ. The object of the vow of poverty is anything visible, material, appreciable at a money value."



    Now I don't know about you, Reverend, but I've never owned a pair of shoes that cost over $100, and I value prosperity over poverty. If there's something more visible, material and monetarily valuable than a bright red pair of Prada loafers, I can't imagine what it might be.
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    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    http://www.saksfifthavenue.com/main/ProductDetail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524446177840

    Bright red Prada loafers: $425




    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12324a.htm

    From the vow of poverty: "The vow of poverty may generally be defined as the promise made to God of a certain [b]constant renunciation of temporal goods
    , in order to f ...[text shortened]... The object of the vow of poverty is anything visible, material, appreciable at a money value."[/b]
    $425! Those are the ugliest shoes I've ever seen. They kind of look like bedroom slippers that you would find in a nursing home in the 1960's.
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    16 Dec '07 05:231 edit
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles

    But Benedict has taken to wearing some eye-stopping outfits in his public appearances, including a red velvet cape trimmed with ermine, a fur-trimmed stocking cap that some first mistook for a Santa Claus hat, and bright red Prada loafers.
    I think a good project for rbmorris would be to Photoshop together an image of the Pope in his velvet cape, Santa Claus hat, and $425 slippers, and then do the same with a picture of Jesus, just to really bring home the irony.
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    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    http://www.saksfifthavenue.com/main/ProductDetail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524446177840

    Bright red Prada loafers: $425




    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12324a.htm

    "The vow of poverty may generally be defined as the promise made to God of a certain [b]constant renunciation of temporal goods
    , in order to follow Christ. The object o ...[text shortened]... tarily valuable than a bright red pair of Prada loafers, I can't imagine what it might be.[/b]
    But not all priests take a vow of poverty. Order priests do -- priests belonging to the Franciscan order or Carmelite order or Dominican order, for example, take a vow of poverty. But diocesan priests don't. That's why diocesan priests -- priests who generally stay within one diocese (area) unless they're missionaries or something -- can own nice cars, inherit the family summer home, etc. It's a fair bet that no cardinal (and thus no pope) is/has been a member of an order (although I haven't researched the issue so it's possible I'm wrong). Therefore if they've been diocesan priests forever, they've been desensitized and don't see any hypocracy to living in a castle and wearing ghastly yet expensive clothes.
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    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    http://www.saksfifthavenue.com/main/ProductDetail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524446177840

    Bright red Prada loafers: $425




    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12324a.htm

    "The vow of poverty may generally be defined as the promise made to God of a certain [b]constant renunciation of temporal goods
    , in order to follow Christ. The object o ...[text shortened]... tarily valuable than a bright red pair of Prada loafers, I can't imagine what it might be.[/b]
    Doc, I'm doing a bit of follow up with this Prada business. It says here on wiki (see under "attire"😉 that it's not Prada after all, but provided by the Pope's personal cobbler.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XVI#Criticisms

    Is there a way to verify which is the correct information?

    Thanks
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    21 Dec '07 10:09
    Originally posted by kirksey957
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PEOPLE_FRANCO_ZEFFIRELLI?SITE=KYLOU&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
    But Benedict has taken to wearing some eye-stopping outfits in his public appearances, including a red velvet cape trimmed with ermine, a fur-trimmed stocking cap that some first mistook for a Santa Claus hat, and bright red Prada loafers

    A pimp of a pope.
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    21 Dec '07 12:48
    Originally posted by ckoh1965
    Doc, I'm doing a bit of follow up with this Prada business. It says here on wiki (see under "attire"😉 that it's not Prada after all, but provided by the Pope's personal cobbler.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XVI#Criticisms

    Is there a way to verify which is the correct information?

    Thanks
    "A personal cobbler"?! Can you tell me if you have ever heard of anyone having a personal cobbler? Sweet Jesu!
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    Originally posted by kirksey957
    "A personal cobbler"?! Can you tell me if you have ever heard of anyone having a personal cobbler? Sweet Jesu!
    Hehehe... I know it is amazing. Was wondering about it myself. Makes me wonder which one is more expensive, the Prada or the personal cobbler.
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    21 Dec '07 15:39
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    I think a good project for rbmorris would be to Photoshop together an image of the Pope in his velvet cape, Santa Claus hat, and $425 slippers, and then do the same with a picture of Jesus, just to really bring home the irony.
    This is a debate that's been going on in the Catholic church since the 1200's.
    Umberto Eco's "The name of the rose" goes into it in quite some detail (and it's an excellent story, book and film too).
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    24 Dec '07 17:56
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    I think a good project for rbmorris would be to Photoshop together an image of the Pope in his velvet cape, Santa Claus hat, and $425 slippers, and then do the same with a picture of Jesus, just to really bring home the irony.
    One thing is certain ... you, Good Doctor, bring home a lot of secular fundamentalism.
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    Originally posted by ivanhoe
    One thing is certain ... you, Good Doctor, bring home a lot of secular fundamentalism.
    What does that have to do with anything? Jesus was the one who said to sell all you have and give to the poor, right? Shouldn't his followers be indignant over the pope's flaunting of wealth?
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    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    What does that have to do with anything? Jesus was the one who said to sell all you have and give to the poor, right? Shouldn't his followers be indignant over the pope's flaunting of wealth?
    You don't think some are livid?
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    Before hastily condemning the papacy, could someone highlight the section of the article which states that Benedict personally bought these accessories?
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