Originally posted by whodey True, however, if he has seen the future and knows he will not sin then is he still capable? Another possiblity is that these events have already happened because God is omnipotent to move forward and backward in time. Perhaps telling us he is incapable of sin is like giving us a history lesson in reverse.
Actually if he has seen the future, he can not change it and therefore god wouldn't have the luxury of thinking he has freewill.
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Originally posted by whodey Well?
God is loving, caring, kind, etc.
Gos can only be loving, caring, kind, etc.
Do all Christians agree on this?
If so, then God has no free will.
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Originally posted by Halitose I don't see how this would negate free will. Being all powerful, God is capable of doing everything -- which He obviously isn't (doing everything logically possible) -- ergo, He is exercising choice.
God being omnipotent does not mean God can "do everything".
Originally posted by whodey [b]True, however, if he has seen the future and knows he will not sin then is he still capable? Another possiblity is that these events have already happened because God is omnipotent to move forward and backward in time. Perhaps telling us he is incapable of sin is like giving us a history lesson in reverse.
God doesn't see the future. He isn't a guy on the moon pointing at things and making them happen. He exists outside of time. He is constant and unchanging.
Originally posted by Halitose I don't see how this would negate free will. Being all powerful, God is capable of doing everything -- which He obviously isn't (doing everything logically possible) -- ergo, He is exercising choice.
However, knowing the future would negate having free will. And worse, it would also negate your thinking you did have it.
Originally posted by Codfish God doesn't see the future. He isn't a guy on the moon pointing at things and making them happen. He exists outside of time. He is constant and unchanging.
If God dois not see the future then how does he know the future?
Originally posted by frogstomp However, knowing the future would negate having free will. And worse, it would also negate your thinking you did have it.
Have you ever read Revelation? We know our ultimate fate, so then does this negate our free will?
Originally posted by Nordlys Yes. So what? It would just be one more sin.
This arguement stems from the assumption that there is a Christian God and the Bible is accurate. If so, then Christ, who came as God, died for our sins. He was guiltless because he had no sin and therefore was an acceptable sacrifice. Christ was referred to God's word incarnate. In other words, God's word became flesh in the form of Christ. Therefore, if Christ is guiltless, then so is the Word he represents. This includes all past and future oreinted words written in the Bible.
Originally posted by Halitose Define love. What causes it?
I would rec you if I could. Perhaps love is the key. The scriptures say that God is love, therefore, if he went against the tenants of love, namely sin, then He would cease to be.
Originally posted by frogstomp Actually if he has seen the future, he can not change it and therefore god wouldn't have the luxury of thinking he has freewill.
What about before creation? He could have made these choices before it all happened. Then once he made the decision, it was caste in stone, so to speak.
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