Originally posted by whodeyIf God exists of necessity - necessarily exists - then God exists regardless of the empirical circumstances.
In the 1940s, physicist Kurt Godel tried to prove the existence of God with the mathematical proof above. It is based on this argument by Saint Anselm of Canterbury:
1. There is a great being called God, and nothing greater than God can be imagined.
2. God exists as an idea in the mind.
3. With all other things being equal, a being that exists in bot ...[text shortened]... ists, simply that it’s possible that an all-powerful being could exist according to modal logic.
A God that exists is part of the collection of mere existent things, and such a conception amounts to idolatry.
Any adequate religious object is necessarily non-existent.
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Originally posted by Great King RatThat is the point in my opinion and many I'm sure disagree. I believe He has given us all
[b]Being able to recognize what is in front of you would be better a better way to put it.
So I'm right? You don't have to believe in his existence, you can just see it? Believing in his existence is at best secondary to actually knowing? If so, why doesn't he make it crystal clear that he exists? Why doesn't he just show himself leaving no dou ...[text shortened]... logical follow-up. What people say or write is not proof of any kind of supernatural existence.[/b]
we need to know to the point that all of us will be without excuse. Our problems will be
that we will end up seeing our excuses for all the things we should have done, and all the
things we should have avoided. God being the central point in reality over all others.
I don't know why He has setup the universe the way He did, or does things the way He is
doing them. I'm in the same boat you are with that except that as God calls us when we
receive Him into our lives He changes us.
There is coming a time when all doubt will be removed, but then all choices are set at
that point too. I admit I'm no different than anyone else, I share the same faults, I have
the same flaws. It doesn't rest with us to prove God it rests with God to do that, and He
only does that to those that answer the call of God on their lives.
You want to look for proof when it is all around you, as I've said over and over nothing
can produce something out of nothing. If you can explain that one without a first cause
you'd have something.
Originally posted by KellyJaySo according to your dogma, only christians go to heaven. Muslims, Buddhists, Janes, Hindu's, Rastafarians, and ESPECIALLY pagans, all go to hell. Some nice god you have there.
That is the point in my opinion and many I'm sure disagree. I believe He has given us all
we need to know to the point that all of us will be without excuse. Our problems will be
that we will end up seeing our excuses for all the things we should have done, and all the
things we should have avoided. God being the central point in reality over all others. ...[text shortened]... mething out of nothing. If you can explain that one without a first cause
you'd have something.
Originally posted by sonhouseThe vast majority of all people will go to Hell, not because God is bad, but because
So according to your dogma, only christians go to heaven. Muslims, Buddhists, Janes, Hindu's, Rastafarians, and ESPECIALLY pagans, all go to hell. Some nice god you have there.
we are. This list will also include people who claim to be Christian as well, it isn't a matter
of human claims that matter, but the reality of God in our lives.
Originally posted by KellyJayBut haven't you claimed in the past that your "salvation" cannot be cancelled out by how bad you are because how bad you are (or have been, or will be) was preemptively forgiven 2,000 years ago? So you are now saying that you might, in fact, go to "Hell" because of your "sins"?
The vast majority of all people will go to Hell, not because God is bad, but because
we are. This list will also include people who claim to be Christian as well, it isn't a matter
of human claims that matter, but the reality of God in our lives.
Originally posted by KellyJayA misanthropic God it seems. Heh heh you will all burn - well, a few can be saved maybe, depending on My mood.
The vast majority of all people will go to Hell, not because God is bad, but because
we are. This list will also include people who claim to be Christian as well, it isn't a matter
of human claims that matter, but the reality of God in our lives.
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Originally posted by finnegan
A misanthropic God it seems. Heh heh you will all burn - well, a few can be saved maybe, depending on My mood.
A misanthropic God it seems. Heh heh you will all burn - well, a few can be saved maybe, depending on My mood.
If there is a "heh, heh" in God's heart because the sinner will not repent why does He say He has no pleasure in the death of the wicked ?
" Do I take pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord Jehovah, and not in his turning away from his ways that he may live?" (Ezekiel 18:23)
"For I take no pleasure in the death of him who dies, declares the Lord Jehovah; therefore repent and live." (v.32)
You are slandering God's personality. You concoct bitterly a caricature of the Savior God.
" Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord Jehovah, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turns away from his way and lives. Turn away, turn away from your evil ways; for why will you die, O house of Israel? " (Exek. 333:11)
This is a window into God's heart. He takes no pleasure that He, out of His eternal righteousness, will not let sin go unpunished. He takes no delight in judgment.
Another slander you launch is that salvation depends on what mood God is in.
The boldness I have before God is to remind Him of His righteous way. Whether He likes me today or doesn't like me today He has to be true to His judgment of Christ on Calvary for my sins. He is faithful and righteous to forgive me of all my sins and cleanse me for uninterrupted fellowship.
It is not dependent upon His mood. It is dependent upon His righteous being. He will not have His claim on two - on Christ the Son and Savior and on me too.
You could pray - "Lord God, whatever mood You are in today, You have promised that if we confess our sins You are faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
Whether He likes you today or doesn't like you today, He is bound and committed to His having made His Son the propitiation for the sins of the world. Rather than mock, rather than make sneering sarcasms, you should consider His graciousness toward sinners.
Originally posted by sonshipA misanthropic God it seems. Heh heh you will all burn - well, a few can be saved maybe, depending on My mood.
If there is a "heh, heh" in God's heart because the sinner will not repent why does He say He has no pleasure in the death of the wicked ?
[quote] [b] " Do I take pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord Jeho ...[text shortened]... ther than make sneering sarcasms, you should consider His [b] graciousness toward sinners.[/b]
You are slandering God's personality. You concoct bitterly a caricature of the Savior God.
Silly. If I am slandering anyone's personality then I am slandering KellyJay's personality obviously. The caricature of God is in his account and yours, attributing to God diverse entirely human emotions and behaviours. This human God it is entirely your fantasy, fulfilling your wishes and dreams. Your endless sanctimonious blather is utterly self indulgent.