Earth visitor

Originally posted by KellyJay
OOOOHHHHHHhhhhhhh, hold on now....free will to a degree.
Naw, that too does not compute, no free will, free will, no free will, free
will, processing, processing....zzzzbbzzztzzzzz BANG, smoke and
flames.

I think it isn't possible, no free will means no free will, while on the
other hand having free will to act within a degree is just as the
Christian faith has it.

You see this now?

Kelly

Yea its truth the christian faith brought forward the idea of free will as oppossed to fate in the sense of Greek tragedy, but I think we linen up someowhere in between the 2, partial free will and partial existence as creatures of faith. I think!?

Originally posted by Serendipity
Yea its truth the christian faith brought forward the idea of free will as oppossed to fate in the sense of Greek tragedy, but I think we linen up someowhere in between the 2, partial free will and partial existence as creatures of faith. I think!?

So we are free to choose our fate?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
So we are free to choose our fate?
Kelly

We think we are, but we are free to choose the level of life that we exist in on the road to our fate, maybe 😲

Originally posted by KellyJay
OOOOHHHHHHhhhhhhh, hold on now....free will to a degree.
Naw, that too does not compute, no free will, free will, no free will, free
will, processing, processing....zzzzbbzzztzzzzz BANG, smoke and
flames.

I think it isn't possible, ...[text shortened]... just as the
Christian faith has it.

You see this now?

Kelly

OOOOHHHHHHhhhhhhh, hold on now....free will to a degree.
Naw, that too does not compute, no free will, free will, no free will, free
will, processing, processing....zzzzbbzzztzzzzz BANG, smoke and
flames.

LOL!! Well done! You've just been building up to that one, haven't you? That ought to teach us "serious mugs." Well done again! 😀

Originally posted by Serendipity
We think we are, but we are free to choose the level of life that we exist in on the road to our fate, maybe 😲

I just dont know.....what would Foucault and his regimes of truth make of all this, shame he was too focussed on the dynamics of 'power' and left existensialism to one side 🙁

Originally posted by Serendipity
Yes, we have free will to a degree, if we had total free will we would exist within a godlike status, so we have a partial free will to choose amongst variable paths.

Existentialism i thought that died a death with Satre and the authenticity suggestion comes from Heidegger who was pre-existentialism.

But another philosophy that outdates Satre and i ...[text shortened]... rs, as you would strip an onion to get to the core, the core being authenticity, your true self.

As far as the Buddhist angle goes...free will is one of those things that appears to be real when identified with mind and body, but becomes less defined as identification with thinking is relaxed. At a certain point, there's the possibility of glimpsing another order of reality, so to speak, in which it's apparent that everything is simply "happening", in accordance with one over-riding Reality. In Buddhism they call this "happening" tathagata, which means "suchness", roughly translated. The idea there is that the problem of free will is not solved via thinking, but is "outshined" by consciousness when our attachment to thought is dropped, even if only for one split second.

That's the general view of Buddhism and Advaita, but I've always seen it as similar to the idea found in some esoteric Western paths of "only God's Will is ultimately real".