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    At our Kingdom Hall on Sunday, our dear brother used this quotation as a basis for
    attesting that our present environmental crisis may be a spiritual problem.

    The more deeply I search for the roots of the global environmental crisis, the more I'm
    convinced that it is the outer manifestation of an inner crisis that is, for the lack of a
    better word, spiritual.

    Al Gore (1992, 98)

    While we ourselves are politically neutral, do you share the same view as Mr Gore, that
    the environmental crisis has been precipitated by a lack of spirituality?
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    13 Jun '11 18:40
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    At our Kingdom Hall on Sunday, our dear brother used this quotation as a basis for
    attesting that our present environmental crisis may be a spiritual problem.

    The more deeply I search for the roots of the global environmental crisis, the more I'm
    convinced that it is the outer manifestation of an inner crisis that is, for the lack of a
    bette ...[text shortened]... ew as Mr Gore, that
    the environmental crisis has been precipitated by a lack of spirituality?
    Define your version of 'spirituality'.
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    13 Jun '11 18:54
    Originally posted by Proper Knob
    Define your version of 'spirituality'.
    in this context i guess it has to do with what motivates us, i think. I have not seen Mr Gores video so i cannot say what he meant. I think it has to do with inner qualities like greed and selfishness which have a bearing on ruining the planet.
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    13 Jun '11 19:10
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    in this context i guess it has to do with what motivates us, i think. I have not seen Mr Gores video so i cannot say what he meant. I think it has to do with inner qualities like greed and selfishness which have a bearing on ruining the planet.
    I think it has to do with out political systems that are focused on short term cycles and generally do not handle long term planning very well. In addition we as humans have a similar short term focus problem.
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    13 Jun '11 19:17
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    I think it has to do with out political systems that are focused on short term cycles and generally do not handle long term planning very well. In addition we as humans have a similar short term focus problem.
    Mr Gore speaks of an inner crisis, what could this be?
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    13 Jun '11 19:30
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    in this context i guess it has to do with what motivates us, i think. I have not seen Mr Gores video so i cannot say what he meant. I think it has to do with inner qualities like greed and selfishness which have a bearing on ruining the planet.
    If this discussion motivates anyone to act, some constructive results can be obtained by doing some of the things at this link:

    http://www.50waystohelp.com/
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    13 Jun '11 21:12
    I know a guy who lives on 30cents a day!
    He's a Hindu.
    I bet he doesn't leave a lot of waste and I bet he doesn't face the same problems like wealthy people like Al Gore.
    But yes Robbie, in general spirituality and concern for the environment go hand in hand.
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    13 Jun '11 21:14
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Mr Gore speaks of an inner crisis, what could this be?
    Guilt?
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    14 Jun '11 09:411 edit
    Originally posted by JS357
    If this discussion motivates anyone to act, some constructive results can be obtained by doing some of the things at this link:

    http://www.50waystohelp.com/
    water for us is not a problem, we in the west of Scotland have zillions of water, more than we need, crystal clear and drinkable strait from the little burns on the hills, its soft too, unlike our neighbours south of the border, with all their clay and chalk.

    I do most of these other things, i have installed energy saving down lighters (9 watts each) and energy saving bulbs elsewhere. I installed a log burning stove (inset) to burn wood (carbon neutral fuel). I would love a wind turbine which i would use to trickle feed some large batteries, hook up an inverter to the batteries (12v DC in and 240 AC out) could guarantee that i could run at least one room from that as long as the appliances did not exceed 600 watts (the max of my inverters). I got rid of our bath and installed a shower, works from the combi boiler.

    sooo many things one can do.
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    14 Jun '11 09:42
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    Guilt?
    i dunno, he said elsewhere it was a moral issue.
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    14 Jun '11 09:43
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    I know a guy who lives on 30cents a day!
    He's a Hindu.
    I bet he doesn't leave a lot of waste and I bet he doesn't face the same problems like wealthy people like Al Gore.
    But yes Robbie, in general spirituality and concern for the environment go hand in hand.
    what if one has a family, and needs to send children to school, and provide food for more than one person, and heating, and lighting? its fine in the context of self, but when you must take the needs and concerns of others into consideration, its problematic.
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