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    24 Apr '18 13:51
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Ask a third time .. go ahead.

    Better yet .. enjoy your false church doctrine.
    My mistake, you must have responded when I was composing a reply.
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    24 Apr '18 13:57
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    [b]This what you wrote is church doctrine
    The word 'know' in verse 3, means to know on the most intimate level as in a man knows his wife as one, it is in the deepest sense, it is a relationship. Trust, no pretense, no ulterior motive, no malice, it is pure.

    This here is what the Bible says about how to know God
    [i]And hereby we do k ...[text shortened]... atement is nonsense.
    The Bible statement is the truth
    The only way to know God is to obey God.[/b]
    Can you? The word 'know' in your example, and in my examples are all the same meaning. You seem to think I don't believe that following the commandments of Jesus are important, I do. The passage I quoted is from the bible, in fact it is Jesus' own words.

    Did you miss that?
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    24 Apr '18 13:58
    Originally posted by @leunammi
    My mistake, you must have responded when I was composing a reply.
    Liar. 15 minutes passed.
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    24 Apr '18 13:59
    Originally posted by @leunammi
    One of three initial responses to the title of this OP will likely happen right now straight out of the gate.

    1. A first response may be; What do you mean "eternal life, is that all there is", what else is there?
    2. A second response may be; I like where this is going let's discuss more!
    3. A third response may be; This guy has lost it! Next.

    Perh ...[text shortened]... no malice, it is pure.

    Jesus is eternal life!

    What are your thoughts, similar? Different?
    Then there will be a forth response by trolls that can only talk about condemnation.

    As soon as you say "eternal life" they think damnation.
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    24 Apr '18 14:003 edits
    Originally posted by @thinkofone
    In John 5:28-28 [sic] Jesus makes it clear that only "those who committed the evil deeds" come forth "to a resurrection of judgment".

    Therefore "those who did the good deeds" (who come forth "to a resurrection of life" ) do "not come into judgement".

    This is consistent with what He said in John 5:24-25. This is what is of importance.


    What English version are you using there?
    Out of many versions I only saw one that said "good deeds".

    [D]eeds written in italics indicates that it is not literally translated from the original but it supplied to assume to make smoother English.

    Some versions say "good things" .
    Many simply say "Done good ... done evil"
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    24 Apr '18 14:05
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Liar. 15 minutes passed.
    I did not see your response, I stated so... and my mistake.

    I'm done with you.
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    24 Apr '18 14:081 edit
    The Recovery Version in John 5:28,29 has -

    "Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming in which all in the tombs will hear His voice

    And will come forth; those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have practiced evil, to the resurrection of judgment."
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    24 Apr '18 14:17
    Originally posted by @leunammi
    I did not see your response, I stated so... and my mistake.

    I'm done with you.
    We never had anything .. what are you done with?
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    24 Apr '18 14:19
    Originally posted by @secondson
    Then there will be a forth response by trolls that can only talk about condemnation.

    As soon as you say "eternal life" they think damnation.
    Are you forgetting that Paul, Peter, James and John spoke at length about damnation?
    Of course you Christians only preach that you are saved and ignore the other part about how you get eternal life. The fact is if you do not follow the commandments you do not get eternal life. Let me know if you want the references.
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    24 Apr '18 14:211 edit
    Originally posted by @secondson
    Then there will be a forth response by trolls that can only talk about condemnation.

    As soon as you say "eternal life" they think damnation.
    Well it has become obvious to me that some are ill-equipped to carry on civil conversation without reverting to the default. Such people I will avoid as they have nothing of substance to contribute when they stoop.

    Edit:
    For me anyhow, I cannot receive from such individuals.
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    24 Apr '18 14:231 edit
    Originally posted by @leunammi
    Can you? The word 'know' in your example, and in my examples are all the same meaning. You seem to think I don't believe that following the commandments of Jesus are important, I do. The passage I quoted is from the bible, in fact it is Jesus' own words.

    Did you miss that?
    Jesus used the word 'know', and you put your own church meaning to it... some nonsense about knowing God intimately like how you know your wife. Well that is a pile of unadulterated rubbish. The Bible explains that to know God means to follow the commandments. and the commandments are not just important. It is what determines if you can enter the Kingdom of God or if you are cast out... they are critical. You are watering down the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles.

    Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. (Revelation 22:14 KJV)
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    24 Apr '18 14:26
    Originally posted by @leunammi
    Well it has become obvious to me that some are ill-equipped to carry on civil conversation without reverting to the default. Such people I will avoid as they have nothing of substance to contribute when they stoop.
    You know God intimately like your wife?
    That is what you call substance?
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    25 Apr '18 23:41
    Originally posted by @thinkofone
    John 5
    24“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
    25“Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
    .
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    28“Do not marvel at th ...[text shortened]... to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment
    .[/b]
    Bump ToO.

    Which judgement do think this speaks of? Great white throne?
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    Bump for Leunammi

    You know God intimately like your wife?
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    26 Apr '18 01:02
    How can this thread do without citation of the lyrics that inspire it?

    “I remember when I was a very little girl, our house caught on fire
    I'll never forget the look on my father's face as he gathered me up
    in his arms and raced through the burning building out to the pavement
    I stood there shivering in my pajamas and watched the whole world go up in flames
    And when it was all over I said to myself, is that all there is to a fire
    Is that all there is, is that all there is
    If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
    Let's break out the booze and have a ball
    If that's all there is
    And when I was twelve years old, my father took me to a circus, the greatest show on earth
    There were clowns and elephants and dancing bears
    And a beautiful lady in pink tights flew high above our heads
    And so I sat there watching the marvelous spectacle
    I had the feeling that something was missing
    I don't know what, but when it was over
    I said to myself, "is that all there is to a circus?
    Is that all there is, is that all there is
    If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
    Let's break out the booze and have a ball
    If that's all there is
    Then I fell in love, head over heels in love, with the most wonderful boy in the world
    We would take long walks by the river or just sit for hours gazing into each other's eyes
    We were so very much in love
    Then one day he went away and I thought I'd die, but I didn't
    and when I didn't I said to myself, is that all there is to love?
    Is that all there is, is that all there is
    If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
    I know what you must be saying to yourselves
    if that's the way she feels about it why doesn't she just end it all?
    Oh, no, not me I'm in no hurry for that final disappointment
    for I know just as well as I'm standing here talking to you
    when that final moment comes and I'm breathing my first breath, I'll be saying to myself
    Is that all there is, is that all there is
    If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
    Let's break out the booze and have a ball
    If that's all there is...
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