Originally posted by @rajk999Can you? The word 'know' in your example, and in my examples are all the same meaning. You seem to think I don't believe that following the commandments of Jesus are important, I do. The passage I quoted is from the bible, in fact it is Jesus' own words.
[b]This what you wrote is church doctrine
The word 'know' in verse 3, means to know on the most intimate level as in a man knows his wife as one, it is in the deepest sense, it is a relationship. Trust, no pretense, no ulterior motive, no malice, it is pure.
This here is what the Bible says about how to know God
[i]And hereby we do k ...[text shortened]... atement is nonsense.
The Bible statement is the truth
The only way to know God is to obey God.[/b]
Did you miss that?
Originally posted by @leunammiThen there will be a forth response by trolls that can only talk about condemnation.
One of three initial responses to the title of this OP will likely happen right now straight out of the gate.
1. A first response may be; What do you mean "eternal life, is that all there is", what else is there?
2. A second response may be; I like where this is going let's discuss more!
3. A third response may be; This guy has lost it! Next.
Perh ...[text shortened]... no malice, it is pure.
Jesus is eternal life!
What are your thoughts, similar? Different?
As soon as you say "eternal life" they think damnation.
Originally posted by @thinkofone
In John 5:28-28 [sic] Jesus makes it clear that only "those who committed the evil deeds" come forth "to a resurrection of judgment".
Therefore "those who did the good deeds" (who come forth "to a resurrection of life" ) do "not come into judgement".
This is consistent with what He said in John 5:24-25. This is what is of importance.
What English version are you using there?
Out of many versions I only saw one that said "good deeds".
[D]eeds written in italics indicates that it is not literally translated from the original but it supplied to assume to make smoother English.
Some versions say "good things" .
Many simply say "Done good ... done evil"
Originally posted by @secondsonAre you forgetting that Paul, Peter, James and John spoke at length about damnation?
Then there will be a forth response by trolls that can only talk about condemnation.
As soon as you say "eternal life" they think damnation.
Of course you Christians only preach that you are saved and ignore the other part about how you get eternal life. The fact is if you do not follow the commandments you do not get eternal life. Let me know if you want the references.
Originally posted by @secondsonWell it has become obvious to me that some are ill-equipped to carry on civil conversation without reverting to the default. Such people I will avoid as they have nothing of substance to contribute when they stoop.
Then there will be a forth response by trolls that can only talk about condemnation.
As soon as you say "eternal life" they think damnation.
Edit:
For me anyhow, I cannot receive from such individuals.
Originally posted by @leunammiJesus used the word 'know', and you put your own church meaning to it... some nonsense about knowing God intimately like how you know your wife. Well that is a pile of unadulterated rubbish. The Bible explains that to know God means to follow the commandments. and the commandments are not just important. It is what determines if you can enter the Kingdom of God or if you are cast out... they are critical. You are watering down the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles.
Can you? The word 'know' in your example, and in my examples are all the same meaning. You seem to think I don't believe that following the commandments of Jesus are important, I do. The passage I quoted is from the bible, in fact it is Jesus' own words.
Did you miss that?
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. (Revelation 22:14 KJV)
Originally posted by @leunammiYou know God intimately like your wife?
Well it has become obvious to me that some are ill-equipped to carry on civil conversation without reverting to the default. Such people I will avoid as they have nothing of substance to contribute when they stoop.
That is what you call substance?
Originally posted by @thinkofoneBump ToO.
John 5
24“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
25“Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
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28“Do not marvel at th ...[text shortened]... to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.[/b]
Which judgement do think this speaks of? Great white throne?
How can this thread do without citation of the lyrics that inspire it?
“I remember when I was a very little girl, our house caught on fire
I'll never forget the look on my father's face as he gathered me up
in his arms and raced through the burning building out to the pavement
I stood there shivering in my pajamas and watched the whole world go up in flames
And when it was all over I said to myself, is that all there is to a fire
Is that all there is, is that all there is
If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
Let's break out the booze and have a ball
If that's all there is
And when I was twelve years old, my father took me to a circus, the greatest show on earth
There were clowns and elephants and dancing bears
And a beautiful lady in pink tights flew high above our heads
And so I sat there watching the marvelous spectacle
I had the feeling that something was missing
I don't know what, but when it was over
I said to myself, "is that all there is to a circus?
Is that all there is, is that all there is
If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
Let's break out the booze and have a ball
If that's all there is
Then I fell in love, head over heels in love, with the most wonderful boy in the world
We would take long walks by the river or just sit for hours gazing into each other's eyes
We were so very much in love
Then one day he went away and I thought I'd die, but I didn't
and when I didn't I said to myself, is that all there is to love?
Is that all there is, is that all there is
If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
I know what you must be saying to yourselves
if that's the way she feels about it why doesn't she just end it all?
Oh, no, not me I'm in no hurry for that final disappointment
for I know just as well as I'm standing here talking to you
when that final moment comes and I'm breathing my first breath, I'll be saying to myself
Is that all there is, is that all there is
If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
Let's break out the booze and have a ball
If that's all there is...