1. Standard memberblakbuzzrd
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    12 Jul '07 15:08
    Originally posted by lucifershammer
    Actually, he talks about that immediately before, in v.18
    Whachoo talkin' bout, Willis? Verse 18 doesn't read that way to me. What does it say to you?
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    12 Jul '07 15:13
    Originally posted by blakbuzzrd
    Whachoo talkin' bout, Willis? Verse 18 doesn't read that way to me. What does it say to you?
    To me, it speaks of the unity in faith required before coming to Communion. As the CCC elaborates, the Eucharist is also a sign of doctrinal unity.

    In any case, we were talking about the effects of receiving Communion in a state of mortal sin. If Paul thinks that over-eating and being drunk (along with being selfish and hypocritical) are serious enough to damn oneself while receiving communion, how much worse would other, more serious mortal sins be?

    (Sorry, we seem to have gotten sidetracked with the discussion on intercommunion which, in itself, is not necessarily a mortal sin)
  3. Standard memberNemesio
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    13 Jul '07 22:42
    Originally posted by lucifershammer
    Once again, I do not see why Scribs and yourself seem so surprised by this.
    I'm sorry if I sounded surprised. I don't think I was surprised, frankly,
    but it's hard to communicate emotion like that in a forum.

    I do find it amusing that a well-meaning Lutheran who disagrees with
    the Church's teaching about 'closed-table' can be partaking of God-made-
    manifest in the Eucharist, the physical representation of agape and be
    sinning simultaneously. But I don't make the rules, so sorry if I sounded
    confrontational.

    As for the citation you listed from Corinthians, a Lutheran would say that
    s/he would be the best judge of the state of his soul and not the
    Roman Catholic Church. Consequently, the authority which the Church
    asserts it has to determine who can come to its table to receive is erroneous. That is, a Lutheran would not opine that simply receiving in
    a Roman Church does not constitute unworthiness.

    The note from the NAB on this verse reads: 'It follows that the only proper
    way to celebrate the Eucharist is one that corresponds with Jesus' intention,
    which firts with the meaning of his command to reproduce his action in the
    proper spirit. If the Corinthians eat and drink unworthily, i.e., without
    having grasped and internalized the maning of his death for them, they
    will have to answer for the body and blood, i.e., will be guilty of a sin
    against the Lord himself (cf 1 Cor 8, 12).' (Emphasis preserved from the
    original passage)

    A Lutheran electing to commune would simply say that they do in fact
    grasp the meaning of His death, and that they do approach the Eucharist
    in the proper spirit. Naturally, the Church would disagree with this.

    Nemesio
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